A chronology of Anthony Wilding’s singles titles (1901-1914)

[elegos7]

Originally Posted by Wolbo

I don't see the 1907 Kent Championship title in the list which Wilding won in the final against A.W. Gore.

I also have Wilding beating Gore in that final. I must have read it in London Times.

[Wolbo]

For 1906 the Championships of Shropshire, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England (Grass) seems to be listed twice, [16-18 July] and [Circa 16-21 July].

Karlsbad and Marienbad are listed as Austria. To be consistent with Franzensbad they should have the same * (...now located in the Czech Republic) and were at the time part of the Austria-Hungarian Empire.

[Wolbo]

Originally Posted by newmark401

Part II of III

1907

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[Circa late July] Franzensbad, Bohemia* (Clay)

For the Championships of Franzensbad

FI: Anthony F. Wilding (NZL) d. [????]

* The correct dates for this tournament are unclear.
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The Franzensbad tournament seems to have been the smallest, least well-known of the three 'Bad' tournaments. Not a lot of info to be found but managed to dig up this article from the online archive of the Bohemia newspaper:

http://kramerius.nkp.cz/kramerius/on...&start=3&end=3

4 – 8 August 1907
FI: Anthony F. Wilding (NZL) d. Kurt (or Curt) von Wessely (AUT)
6–4, 6–0, 7–5

The dates are estimates based on the dates of the newspapers so could be off by perhaps a day but probably not much more.

[newmark401]

Originally Posted by Wolbo

The Franzensbad tournament seems to have been the smallest, least well-known of the three 'Bad' tournaments. Not a lot of info to be found but managed to dig up this article from the online archive of the Bohemia newspaper:

http://kramerius.nkp.cz/kramerius/on...&start=3&end=3

4 – 8 August 1907
FI: Anthony F. Wilding (NZL) d. Kurt (or Curt) von Wessely (AUT)
6–4, 6–0, 7–5

The dates are estimates based on the dates of the newspapers so could be off by perhaps a day but probably not much more.

Thanks very much. I've added that new information to the main section.

Mark

[Wolbo]

You're welcome. The Wilding list is great and it's fun trying to find any missing info to perfect it. With more and more info, particularly newspapers, becoming available online it's a great time for us fans who want to find out more about the history of tennis players and tournaments. It's a pity that the online British National Archive is not free but fortunately there is still a lot of info out there that is.

Found another tournament that can be added to the list (this one is also on tennisarchives).

[Circa 19 – 23 November 1908] Victorian Championships, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Grass)

FI: Anthony F. Wilding (NZL) d. Fred Alexander (USA) 4–6, 6–0, 6–2, 6–2


Sources:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi....2.55&srpos=82
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi....2.60&srpos=87

Fred Alexander was in Australia for the Davis Cup match against Australasia that directly followed this tournament. He also played in (and won!) the 1908 Australasian Championship in Sydney. For some reason Wilding did not take part in the singles event and only played the doubles.

[newmark401]

Originally Posted by Wolbo

Found another tournament that can be added to the list (this one is also on tennisarchives).

[Circa 19 – 23 November 1908] Victorian Championships, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Grass)

FI: Anthony F. Wilding (NZL) d. Fred Alexander (USA) 4–6, 6–0, 6–2, 6–2


Sources:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi....2.55&srpos=82
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi....2.60&srpos=87

Fred Alexander was in Australia for the Davis Cup match against Australasia that directly followed this tournament. He also played in (and won!) the 1908 Australasian Championship in Sydney. For some reason Wilding did not take part in the singles event and only played the doubles.

Added, thanks. Wilding might have felt that he didn't really have much to prove by playing in the singles event at the 1908 edition of the Australasian Championships, which didn't have the status then that the Australian Open has now.
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[Idzznew]

http://www.tennisarchives.com/voorlo...oorloopid=1379
Complete results...

[newmark401]

I've added the 1907 Kent Championships result, where Wilding beat Arthur Gore, the holder, in the Challenge Round match in five sets.
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[Wolbo]

Originally Posted by newmark401

I've added the 1907 Kent Championships result, where Wilding beat Arthur Gore, the holder, in the Challenge Round match in five sets.
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Excellent. Hope you can also verify the 1910 Scheveningen/The Hague tournament.

Here's Wilding at the 1913 World Hard Court Championships.

[Wolbo]

Been updating the Wikipedia article on Wilding, trying to complete the list of singles titles and added more than 100 references. Looks like the final tournament count will be a little bit higher than the 112 often mentioned so far. There are still a number of loose ends so any help with those is appreciated.

Wikipedia Tony Wilding article

Photo from the 1913 Wimbledon Championships challenge round against Maurice McLoughlin.

[newmark401]

I'll see if I can find the 1910 Scheveningen result.
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A note on some first names and nationalities:

J. Capara = José Capara
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D.M. Hawes = David M. Hawes, an English player
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Alfred D. Prebble should be Albert D. Prebble.
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George Ball-Greene was Irish.
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Josiah Ritchie should be Major Ritchie, Major being his real first name. He wasn't in the army, at least not before World War One, when he would have been in his mid-forties.
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C.P. Dodge = Charles P. Dodge
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A.G. Watson was known as Georges Watson (Belgium).
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If I'm not mistaken A.B. Jones was Alan Jones, an Australian player.
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[newmark401]

The following result has been verified and added:

[8-14 August] The Hague, Holland (Clay)

FI: Anthony F. Wilding (NZL) d. Roelof van Lennep 6-0, 6-3, 6-0
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Thanks to Alex at www.tennisarchives.com
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[newmark401]

To: "Wolbo":

In your wikipedia entry on Anthony Wilding you've copied almost all of the results that I and some others found, and which I've included in this thread, but you've given the incorrect sources in your entry in wikipedia. The correct sources are listed in this thread.

Can you rectify this error in the wikipedia entry you created?

Mark Ryan
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[timnz]

This is tremendous stuff. The following is too much to ask, but I pose it as a question for someone to solve sometime:

Is at all possible to total the unbeaten clay streak that Wilding had from May 1910 to June 1914. I would imagine that that is the all time record of at least 120 matches?

[Wolbo]

Originally Posted by newmark401

To: "Wolbo":

In your wikipedia entry on Anthony Wilding you've copied almost all of the results that I and some others found, and which I've included in this thread, but you've given the incorrect sources in your entry in wikipedia. The correct sources are listed in this thread.

Can you rectify this error in the wikipedia entry you created?

Mark Ryan
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Mark,

It's not an error but simply following Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable in reliable, published sources and a forum with user-generated content does not qualify as a reliable, published source. That is in no way a judgement on the quality of your Wilding article and result list, which is excellent, but simply Wikipedia policy. Also note that the article and original table with Wilding's singles titles already existed and I merely augmented it with results, opponents, dates, surfaces and some additional tournaments. Not having access to some of the sources you used (“Lawn Tennis and Badminton” and “Der Lawn-Tennis-Sport”) I referenced all results individually using mainly online newspaper archives.

[newmark401]

Originally Posted by Wolbo

Mark,

It's not an error but simply following Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable in reliable, published sources and a forum with user-generated content does not qualify as a reliable, published source. That is in no way a judgement on the quality of your Wilding article and result list, which is excellent, but simply Wikipedia policy. Also note that the article and original table with Wilding's singles titles already existed and I merely augmented it with results, opponents, dates, surfaces and some additional tournaments. Not having access to some of the sources you used (“Lawn Tennis and Badminton” and “Der Lawn-Tennis-Sport”) I referenced all results individually using mainly online newspaper archives.

First of all, the pre-existing template for Tony Wilding's results in wikipedia was, if I'm not mistaken, created by timnz, who is a member online here at "talktennis" and who had planned to update the wikipedia entry on Tony Wilding using most of the results I posted. You can check timnz's previous posts within this very thread to verify this.

Secondly, the published sources I used are as reliable as the sources you quote in the wikipedia article, although not, perhaps, as freely available. Not having access to some of the sources I used, you used most of the results from those same sources, but without mentioning them.

Thirdly, I don't think wikipedia is a one hundred per cent reliable source and I have never posted anything on it.
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[timnz]

Originally Posted by newmark401

First of all, the pre-existing template for Tony Wilding's results in wikipedia was, if I'm not mistaken, created by timnz, who is a member online here at "talktennis" and who had planned to update the wikipedia entry on Tony Wilding using most of the results I posted. You can check timnz's previous posts within this very thread to verify this.

Secondly, the published sources I used are as reliable as the sources you quote in the wikipedia article, although not, perhaps, as freely available. Not having access to some of the sources I used, you used most of the results from those same sources, but without mentioning them.

Thirdly, I don't think wikipedia is a one hundred per cent reliable source and I have never posted anything on it.
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I can't take the credit for Wildings wikipedia page. I have made the odd update on it over time though. I am fascinated with Wilding on a number of levels. He cuts such an interesting character, capturing the exotic nature of the time. He was the friend of kings and princes, would travel about Europe turning up at chateaus and castles, as a guest, on his motorbike having travelled for days, fixing his bike on roadsides. I don't know why someone hasn't done a movie portraying him. I, for one, are very grateful for this last round of updates...thanks very much for those responsible.

[newmark401]

Originally Posted by timnz

I can't take the credit for Wildings wikipedia page. I have made the odd update on it over time though. I am fascinated with Wilding on a number of levels. He cuts such an interesting character, capturing the exotic nature of the time. He was the friend of kings and princes, would travel about Europe turning up at chateaus and castles, as a guest, on his motorbike having travelled for days, fixing his bike on roadsides. I don't know why someone hasn't done a movie portraying him. I, for one, are very grateful for this last round of updates...thanks very much for those responsible.

Oh, I thought you were the one who created the template in wikipedia based on the results section within this thread. Anyway, it's not that important. I just had a slight gripe about the non-inclusion of the true sources for the results.
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A film, or even a documentary, about Wilding's life could certainly be very interesting, especially if it revealed a bit more about his private life than is currently known.
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[Carlo Giovanni Colussi]

Hello newmark401,

I made the template of Wilding's titles in Wikipedia as early as 2007 and the main source I used then to publish all Anthony's victories, was the one I indicated at the beginning of the chapter : "Anthony Wilding, A Sporting Life by Len and Shelley Richardson, (2005 Canterbury University Press)". By the way a superb book very detailed with only a few mistakes (sometimes years of events are wrong) while On the Court and Off and Captain Anthony Wilding that I also used then, aren't detailed at all about Wilding's results. And as Wolbo explained the original sources shall be cited in Wikipedia.
Perhaps it is mentioned elsewhere but Ayres' Lawn Tennis Almanack 1913 credited Wilding the 1910 Italian Riveria Champs at San Remo. This is why I put it in the Wikipedia article 5 years and a half ago but Wolbo found in Idzznew's TennisArchives.com site, http://www.tennisarchives.com/voorlo...oorloopid=1384, that, according to Lawn tennis and badminton, 7/4/1910, the 1910 event had a 6-man draw with Artimus Holmes as the winner and apparently Wilding didn't enter the tourney :
Round 1
2 players had byes.
Holmes, Artimus d. Wills, Ernest S. (6-1 6-2)
Routledge, H.B. d. Murray, C.W. (6-4 1-6 6-4)
Semifinals
Holmes, Artimus d. Turton, M. (6-1 6-3)
Routledge, H.B. d. Bostwick, A.C. (2-6 6-4 6-2)
Final
Holmes, Artimus d. Routledge, H.B. (6-0 6-1 6-0).

Does anyone else than Idzznew confirm these results which contradict Ayres' assertion ?

Mark, your contribution to Wikipedia would be a blessing as was Elegos7's when he greatly contributed to the "World number 1 male tennis player rankings" wikipedia article a few years ago.

P.S. : if the San Remo event took place really in February 1910 as suggested in Tennis Archives
it is impossible that Wilding entered in it
because he quit Christchurch, New Zealand, around Feb. 3 or 4, depending on the following "to-morrow" if applied to the edition date or the writing date
("Anthony Wilding, the well-known international tennis player, leaves Christchurch to-morrow" from the "Evening Post, Volume LXXIX, Issue 28, 3 February 1910", http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi...-1----0--&st=1)
and arrived in South Africa a few weeks later
and in particular won the South African Champs, in Johannesburg, held during the week of March 28 - April 3, 1910
so Wilding couldn't be in Italy in February 1910.
Therefore unless the Italian Riviera Champs dates are wrong, Wilding can't have played (and won) the San Remo event that year.

Thank you Wolbo for the above link and the following one as well, the latter listing a summary of Wilding's beautiful career : http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi...-1----0--&st=1

[newmark401]

Hi, Carlo,

I had a look in "Ayres' Lawn Tennis Almanack" and it has no information on the 1910 edition of the San Remo tournament in its 1911 edition (for the year 1910).

However, in the "Ayres' LTA" for 1921, in its list of previous winners of the men's singles title in San Remo, it has the following:

1908 Anthony F. Wilding
1909 Artimus Holmes
1910 Artimus Holmes
1911 Anthony F. Wilding
1912 Edward R. Allen
1913 Edward R. Allen
1914 F. Gordon Lowe

Mark

Originally Posted by Carlo Giovanni Colussi

Perhaps it is mentioned elsewhere but Ayres' Lawn Tennis Almanack 1913 credited Wilding the 1910 Italian Riveria Champs at San Remo. This is why I put it in the Wikipedia article 5 years and a half ago but Wolbo found in Iddznew's TennisArchives.com site, http://www.tennisarchives.com/voorlo...oorloopid=1384, that, according to Lawn tennis and badminton, 7/4/1910, the 1910 event had a 6-man draw with Artimus Holmes as the winner and apparently Wilding didn't enter the tourney :
Round 1
2 players had byes.
Holmes, Artimus d. Wills, Ernest S. (6-1 6-2)
Routledge, H.B. d. Murray, C.W. (6-4 1-6 6-4)
Semifinals
Holmes, Artimus d. Turton, M. (6-1 6-3)
Routledge, H.B. d. Bostwick, A.C. (2-6 6-4 6-2)
Final
Holmes, Artimus d. Routledge, H.B. (6-0 6-1 6-0).

Does anyone else than Idzznew confirm these results which contradict Ayres' assertion ?