Nadal practicing on clay this morning - Page 8

cc0509 · 01-04-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarky21

What if clay were as dominant as hardcourts are while hardcourts were marginalized like clay is?

Then he (Fed) should be judged even more harshly.If he had more opportunities to win more clay titles and he was unable to, obviously he should be judged accordingly. I am talking about GREATS here and greats need to be judged on a higher platform than scrubs right?

Crisstti · 01-04-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vrad

If Djokovic drops out of the FO 3 weeks before the tournament begins because of a stomach virus, but is seen practicing on hard courts 2 weeks before the tourney, he would deserve the same crap.

Nadal isn't getting crap for not winning outside clay (at least in this thread). He is getting crap for not even showing up.

But Nadal didn't drop out of the AO because of the virus. It just disrupted his training and he was going to have way to little before the virus. It wasn't even a sure thing at all he was going to play Doha and the AO before the virus. He had said his knee wasn't quite right.

And he's been sick for almost two weeks, so now he's feeling better. Nothing strange about it.

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Originally Posted by namelessone

Because they have no consistent position, they just re-posture themselves according to what Nadal is doing at the moment in order to further their trolling/hating behavior. Nothing more, nothing less.

Some of them are still asking "where did Nadal's USO 2010 serve go?" in order to prove his doping.

Lol, so true.

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Originally Posted by Feather

Unfortunately the same is applicable to you when the topic is Federer

Are you serious?, you cannot compare what I post about Federer and what Mike posts about Nadal.

edmondsm · 01-04-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarky21

Why does this matter? If Nadal is expected to win off of his best surface, then the rest of them should expected to do so also. What you said is just an attempt to excuse away the fact that the rest of them are surface specialists the same as Nadal. But for obvious reasons, they don't take as much crap for it because their best surface is hardcourt, which is seen as a superior surface to clay by the ****s here.

Well considering that it is becoming far and away the most common surface on tour, it IS the superior surface by any objective measure. Accept it. It is the surface that rewards the most points to those who are good on it.

As I pointed out, and you conveniently ignored, if a player was extremely dominant on grass but couldn't get it done anywhere else they would be chastised by this board for focusing their game so narrowly.

This is why Nadal gets a lot of crap. His style was structured to succeed solely on a surface that was in decline while the rest of the tour adapted to playing a lot of HC tennis. It took him too long to adapt (he never fully did imo) and this is why his body has given him so many fits. On top of that, he and Tony whine endlessly about hardcourts being the prevailing surface on tour.

Clarky21 · 01-04-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by edmondsm

Well considering that it is becoming far and away the most common surface on tour, it IS the superior surface by any objective measure. Accept it. It is the surface that rewards the most points to those who are good on it.

As I pointed out, and you conveniently ignored, if a player was extremely dominant on grass but couldn't get it done anywhere else they would be chastised by this board for focusing their game so narrowly.

This is why Nadal gets a lot of crap. His style was structured to succeed solely on a surface that was in decline while the rest of the tour adapted to playing a lot of HC tennis. It took him too long to adapt (he never fully did imo) and this is why his body has given him so many fits. On top of that, he and Tony whine endlessly about hardcourts being the prevailing surface on tour.

Wrong. It's the most prevalent but prevalence does not make it superior.

No they wouldn't.

Everyone should conform just to please you I suppose. How dull and boring would tennis be if all we had were nothing but hardcourts? They are already dominating the tour as it is. Do you really want every single tournament out there played on the same, boring hardcourts? Funny that ****s are usually the ones who bring up the lack of variety in todays game, but don't hesitate to wish for MORE hardcourts on a tour that is already oversaturated with them as it is. There's no variety in pounding down serves all day with little to no rallies.

And Nadal would not be able to win with you because if he were a hardcourt specialist, you would just harp on the fact that he can't win on clay and grass.

Steve0904 · 01-05-2013, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Crisstti

But Nadal didn't drop out of the AO because of the virus. It just disrupted his training and he was going to have way to little before the virus. It wasn't even a sure thing at all he was going to play Doha and the AO before the virus. He had said his knee wasn't quite right.

And he's been sick for almost two weeks, so now he's feeling better. Nothing strange about it.

Lol, so true.

Are you serious?, you cannot compare what I post about Federer and what Mike posts about Nadal.

Feather is not comparing your posting styles. Read it again.

dafinch · 01-05-2013, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by edmondsm

Well considering that it is becoming far and away the most common surface on tour, it IS the superior surface by any objective measure. Accept it. It is the surface that rewards the most points to those who are good on it.

As I pointed out, and you conveniently ignored, if a player was extremely dominant on grass but couldn't get it done anywhere else they would be chastised by this board for focusing their game so narrowly.

This is why Nadal gets a lot of crap. His style was structured to succeed solely on a surface that was in decline while the rest of the tour adapted to playing a lot of HC tennis. It took him too long to adapt (he never fully did imo) and this is why his body has given him so many fits. On top of that, he and Tony whine endlessly about hardcourts being the prevailing surface on tour.

Don't try to use logic on him, it makes his head hurt. Faster surfaces-grass long ago, and hard courts since-have ALWAYS been the most important surface, except for a 3 year period in the mid 1970s when the USTA went berserk and put the US Open on dirt. It was expressly introduced by the French so their bandy legged 4 Musketeers could mute the power of the player voted the greatest of the first half of the 20th century, Bill Tilden. It hurts players who can hit winners and helps those who can bore their opponents to death, excuse me, "construct points." EVERY Slam has a number of one hit wonders who won, but the Dirtball Open has way more than the others, and that isn't an accident. The Dirtball to the Slams is as Ringo is to the Beatles, get over it.