New coach, new tennis

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by andfor

It can be done. I'm not saying change the baseline basher into a slice and dice serve and volleyer. Throwing in a slice, a high heavy or a drop shot in appropriate situations works. Variety can also be done through momentum management, applying base game/consistent play or playing offensive/going for it based on the score and what happened during the previous point subtly creates variety and can keep an opponent off balance with them even knowing what's hit them.

I watched Borna step up a serve and volley followed by a baseline ralley followed by a drop shot in the next rally then back to baseline rally's for a while then back to mixing , he was very good at it , his coach did a great job , we are gonna try and incorporate more in out game as should the Original Poster.

also slicing and dicing is also a nice mix .

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by lala28m

Well, this made me turn my tv on thanks

Hey I met Wickmeyer last month that girl is a beast , she has some thighs on her that you may see in the NFL

[klu375]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Hey I met Wickmeyer last month that girl is a beast , she has some thighs on her that you may see in the NFL

Unfortunately this beast cannot return first serve well, cannot handle short slice and makes mistakes on shots that require small adjustment steps around the ball. So if can make her do all these things that she is not good at you may win. Or you can try to compete with her who hits the ball harder.

[andfor]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

I believe EPSN replaced NCAA tennis with college girls bowling OUCH !

That really has nothing to do with the growth or contraction of tennis. Covering college dual formats is very difficult.

Fox Sports covered the C-USA men's tennis championship last year.

[10ismom]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

I watched Borna step up a serve and volley followed by a baseline ralley followed by a drop shot in the next rally then back to baseline rally's for a while then back to mixing , he was very good at it , his coach did a great job , we are gonna try and incorporate more in out game as should the Original Poster.

also slicing and dicing is also a nice mix .

Good idea # 1 coach. While DB is not famous yet, keep him fired up but try not to pump the fist toward the opponent's face. It will be more pleasant to watch him in the future : )
Look at Table 17, page 124-125 in this Friends at court. That gesture can be penalized in juniors.
http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/2...AT%20COURT.pdf

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

This is an important distinction...and perfectly acceptable. Many times I have watched a pro match live or on TV and gotten goose bumps when a player is on fire and has the crowd into it. The celebrations are directed inward and/or to the crowd. You're right, it adds excitement to the game.

However, I'm seeing two trends in the juniors, and by juniors I mean 10s and 12s as that's where we are at this point: 1. fist pumps and "come on" on opponents unforced errors. I see it at non-critical points and even on double faults. 2. Excessive celebration - too often and too much.

The first trend is just bad etiquette, and yes, I think tennis should have some etiquette. The second trend is not smart because it leaves a player with no where to go emotionally. If the player is celebrating every point and every opponent error, they have no way to pump themselves up when they need it - a break or a winner on an important hold, etc. Often pros will say they won by playing the big points well, or lost by their opponent playing the big points well. Young players need to learn how to work the momentum and manage their emotions - both up and down. Tough to do when they are screaming as loud as they can on every stroke and fist pumping every point.

Great post! I have seen some kids doing fist pumping and loud "come on" on opponent's errors including double faults and they trash talk, call name... they just want to try all the dirty tricks they could think of or were told by their coach or parents - with a sole purpose of messing up their opponent's mental. These kids rarely have good friends. I also fully believe college coaches don't like to recruit kids who cheat and do dirty tricks to win matches.

[Soianka]

I watched the Sloane versus Serena match and I have to say I didn't see Serena being "disrespectful" to Sloane at all.

Serena clapped when Sloane hit a great point.

She did say come on's to herself to pump herself up in a very competitive match, but it was nothing out of the ordinary for many of the top women.

In fact, I think Serena is probably one of the most fair of the top players the WTA has ever had. I've never seen her try to cheat anyone out of a point. She claps for her opponents winners. She has even been cheated on several different occasions herself (most of the time keeping her composure quite well).

I will say one thing, Sloane really needs to grow up and toughen up.

In fact, I think Sloane's comments were actually "disrespectful." She is playing one of the best women's tennis players ever and she is making commentary about the "come on's." Really?

Considering what we have on the WTA these days with seeming intentional vocal hinderences that some top players exert on almost every point, Sloane really needs to toughen up if she is shooting for the top of the sport.

In talking with her own coach, Sloane shouldn't be focusing on her opponent saying "come on"...that should not even come into her mind at all...she should be focusing on how to win the match.

In fact, I'd love it if none of the women would call their coaches down and learn to think for themselves they way Serena does.

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Great post! I have seen some kids doing fist pumping and loud "come on" on opponent's errors including double faults and they trash talk, call name... they just want to try all the dirty tricks they could think of or were told by their coach or parents - with a sole purpose of messing up their opponent's mental. These kids rarely have good friends. I also fully believe college coaches don't like to recruit kids who cheat and do dirty tricks to win matches.

I wonder if it's intentional or mimicking what they see on TV and just do it all the time. Some of the younger kids I've seen seem to be just copying their idols and don't know when to apply self-motivation. But I've also seen more savvy kids doing it to get to the other player. I know of one kid who, upon his opponent hitting a first serve into the net, yells "fault"! At first I thought it was kind of funny, but after an entire match of it... not so much.

[andfor]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

I wonder if it's intentional or mimicking what they see on TV and just do it all the time. Some of the younger kids I've seen seem to be just copying their idols and don't know when to apply self-motivation. But I've also seen more savvy kids doing it to get to the other player. I know of one kid who, upon his opponent hitting a first serve into the net, yells "fault"! At first I thought it was kind of funny, but after an entire match of it... not so much.

Excessive com'ons and fist pumping is often prevalent among the 12-14's and for the majority of kids decreases over time, with maturity. I know, there's exceptions, also it can be used inappropriately as gamesmanship.

Point is, if Sloan Steven's expresses that Serena Williams did it excessively in a pro match does not mean anything other than she allowed herself to be distracted. Gamesmanship only works if the person who the gamesmanship is directed to allows it. In the pro game telling the public another pro excessively fist pumped and said com'on? Really. Sloan Stevens should be embarrassed she said that to the media. Other pros are likely salivating to play her now. Time to grow up.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by andfor

Excessive com'ons and fist pumping is often prevalent among the 12-14's and for the majority of kids decreases over time, with maturity. I know, there's exceptions, also it can be used inappropriately as gamesmanship.

Point is, if Sloan Steven's expresses that Serena Williams did it excessively in a pro match does not mean anything other than she allowed herself to be distracted. Gamesmanship only works if the person who the gamesmanship is directed to allows it. In the pro game telling the public another pro excessively fist pumped and said com'on? Really. Sloan Stevens should be embarrassed she said that to the media. Other pros are likely salivating to play her now. Time to grow up.

Andfor Sloane should have kept her mouth shut ,what Serena did was way within the limits of sportsmanship and trust me i am not a big fan of Serena at all , think she is beyond arrogant , sloane just allowed her true soft demeanor to show which she better look to toughen up asap .

[10ismom]

Originally Posted by Soianka

I watched the Sloane versus Serena match and I have to say I didn't see Serena being "disrespectful" to Sloane at all.

Serena clapped when Sloane hit a great point.

She did say come on's to herself to pump herself up in a very competitive match, but it was nothing out of the ordinary for many of the top women.

In fact, I think Serena is probably one of the most fair of the top players the WTA has ever had. I've never seen her try to cheat anyone out of a point. She claps for her opponents winners. She has even been cheated on several different occasions herself (most of the time keeping her composure quite well).

I will say one thing, Sloane really needs to grow up and toughen up.

In fact, I think Sloane's comments were actually "disrespectful." She is playing one of the best women's tennis players ever and she is making commentary about the "come on's." Really?

Considering what we have on the WTA these days with seeming intentional vocal hinderences that some top players exert on almost every point, Sloane really needs to toughen up if she is shooting for the top of the sport.

In talking with her own coach, Sloane shouldn't be focusing on her opponent saying "come on"...that should not even come into her mind at all...she should be focusing on how to win the match.

In fact, I'd love it if none of the women would call their coaches down and learn to think for themselves they way Serena does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvPkVnPBWfY
Here is a part of that match. I think everyone agrees that Sloan shouldn't be bothered by this. The in your face fist pump might have looked better if it's not toward the opponent IMO.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

I wonder if it's intentional or mimicking what they see on TV and just do it all the time. Some of the younger kids I've seen seem to be just copying their idols and don't know when to apply self-motivation. But I've also seen more savvy kids doing it to get to the other player. I know of one kid who, upon his opponent hitting a first serve into the net, yells "fault"! At first I thought it was kind of funny, but after an entire match of it... not so much.

would have been great if the other kid responded Every time " UNFORRCED ERROR"

[Soianka]

Originally Posted by 10ismom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvPkVnPBWfY
Here is a part of that match. I think everyone agrees that Sloan shouldn't be bothered by this. The in your face fist pump might have looked better if it's not toward the opponent IMO.

It's a grow up, learning moment for Stephens.

I think she expected Serena would go easy on her because they are friends or friendly.

Sloane has faced louder and more frequent "come on's" in her "face" by Maria Sharapova and others and I don't recall her ever commenting on them.

Watching her pow wow with her coach, it was just obvious that Sloane didn't listen to a word he said about strategy. She was fuming over Serena saying "come on" literally maybe once or twice at that point in the match (end of first set)

I realize there are lots of people who criticize Serena for whatever she does (and let other players get away with more and worse)...I am sure Serena is used to it and doesn't let it bother her one bit.

One bit of caution for Sloane though, she doesn't want to get on Serena's **** list and end up getting Maria Sharapova'd from here on out.

As for the clip, Sloane complained about the "come on's" after the end of the first set well before the "come on" in the clip which happened toward the end of the 2nd set.

Sloane comes off very amateurish and juvenile with these remarks to her coach and then loudly commenting again on court about "disrespectful"

Sloane only made herself look bad.

[Soianka]

and on court coaching should be banned

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

would have been great if the other kid responded Every time " UNFORRCED ERROR"

Now that's funny! Best thing I've read here in a long time.

[MarTennis]

Originally Posted by 10istalent

So my blue chip daughter switched coaches. It was an easy transition. However, she has always won based on her power and aggressiveness. Old coach encouraged this type of game. My girl is strong and tall and athletic. New coach says she has a one dimensional game. He wants to add more slice, drop shots, rally balls to give her more of a game. We watched Ana konjuh and she has variety. What do you think? Change game or keep what works? She is 14 now. Will she need more for college or just keep pounding and placing the ball?

Seems that she probably could practice the variety and maintain her current style. Bigger question is how you, your daughter and coach feel about the mental aspects of the transition? If you feel this can be dealt with successfully go for it.

You have Andy Murray predicament in reverse. He had all the variety and had to resolve to hammer the ball more. Not a bad problem to have at all with a blue chip 14 year old. Have fun! Congrats.

[hhollines]

Originally Posted by Soianka

It's a grow up, learning moment for Stephens.

I think she expected Serena would go easy on her because they are friends or friendly.

Sloane has faced louder and more frequent "come on's" in her "face" by Maria Sharapova and others and I don't recall her ever commenting on them.

Watching her pow wow with her coach, it was just obvious that Sloane didn't listen to a word he said about strategy. She was fuming over Serena saying "come on" literally maybe once or twice at that point in the match (end of first set)

I realize there are lots of people who criticize Serena for whatever she does (and let other players get away with more and worse)...I am sure Serena is used to it and doesn't let it bother her one bit.

One bit of caution for Sloane though, she doesn't want to get on Serena's **** list and end up getting Maria Sharapova'd from here on out.

As for the clip, Sloane complained about the "come on's" after the end of the first set well before the "come on" in the clip which happened toward the end of the 2nd set.

Sloane comes off very amateurish and juvenile with these remarks to her coach and then loudly commenting again on court about "disrespectful"

Sloane only made herself look bad.

I have no issue with what Serena did. It's Sloane's issue and she should focus on herself and use it as an opportunity to grow and establish her own identity . . . it's about your personality and don't let the opponent impact what you do and what you focus on and Sloane let Serena do that but, again, Serena has so much more experience than Sloane so hopefully Sloane uses it to learn. As the commentator said, she needed to figure out how to break Serena's serve at 5-3 instead of worrying about Serena's behavior.

[ga tennis]

Sloane is a nobody Serena is the G.O.A.T!!!!!!!! Deal with it Sloane.....

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by 10istalent

So my blue chip daughter switched coaches. It was an easy transition. However, she has always won based on her power and aggressiveness. Old coach encouraged this type of game. My girl is strong and tall and athletic. New coach says she has a one dimensional game. He wants to add more slice, drop shots, rally balls to give her more of a game. We watched Ana konjuh and she has variety. What do you think? Change game or keep what works? She is 14 now. Will she need more for college or just keep pounding and placing the ball?

Found this video clip of an 2010 Australian Open match between Henin and Dementieva. Henin was using all kids of the shots...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79lkquqDP8

[crosbydog]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Found this video clip of an 2010 Australian Open match between Henin and Dementieva. Henin was using all kids of the shots...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79lkquqDP8

Thanks for the link! That's my new favorite women's match. Going to have my daughter watch it for inspiration