Here is how to WIN in every match, yes I'm serious

[MarinaHighTennis]

Originally Posted by slowfox

One guy at my local courts loves to hit a forehand slice. It has crazy sidespin. He says he's used it many a time to dismiss them young guns... lol

Where I live, there's so many of them lol. I hate it hahaha :P

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by tennis_balla

Modern game includes no mid-court or net play?
Wrong.

Mick you need to do some research into what top academies and coaches are teaching. The reason why most players have abandoned the net isn't because they don't know how to volley, or cannot handle mid-court balls. It is because its not a high percentage play anymore to come to the net constantly at a high level. A player is too vulnerable up there. Also, instead of coming to the net players finish a lot of points mid-court. Current players are better in the mid-court then 20-30 years ago. They are hitting harder, stronger shots, more angles, etc from there.

Coaches nowadays teach all aspects of the game, its ridiculous how complete a lot of training programs are. All areas of the court are covered, all tactical situations etc. At Sanchez-Casal for example they pay as much attention to net play as they do to mid-court and baseline play. The reason why players choose to play at the baseline is because that is the nature of the game now and their best shot at winning. It isn't the coaches forcing kids to play only from the back.

If there was any loop hole, anything missed it would be covered and used a long time ago. Top players look for any advantage they can get and coaches scout, analyze, and teach the best way they can for their students to win. Also, you cannot force a player who is comfortable and has the mentality to play at the baseline to all of a sudden expect them to become serve and volley'ers, it just doesn't work that way.

You miss the entire point, I don't CARE what so called "Academics" and others theorize, if you can play at the net I'll kill you, simply as that. Don't train at mid-court, I'll kill you, and baseline is simplest of all!

So just because the game today is baseline doesn't mean it's right, you'll see next S&V who comes into the game, what are you going to do with your stats then?

[Mick3391]

Real tennis can't be taught, it has to be devoloped inside, because it's an expression of the mind into the body, NO ONE can teach this.

So yea it's great to say "Hold your hand like this, or that", but no one can get bejond the basics of a 4.5 or whatever player by instruction, who taught Federer to be Federer? Case closed!

Again Mr. Miyogi was right in the movie franchise, "I give you roots, but real Karate comes out of you", same deal Tennis, tips for amateurs, I understand, but TENNIS IS A TRANSFERANCE OF THE MIND INTO THE BODY, anything else is BS for some to make money teaching nonsense.

PS: If you think you can be taught real tennis, I can teach you to be Robert Deniro!

[NLBwell]

So if I truly believe in my mind that I can be taught real tennis, I can become Robert DeNiro? Is that the point of the first post?

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by MarinaHighTennis

I have to say he has a point. Players my age and younger lose to older guys who love to hack, slick, lob (constantly), super good defense, volley, etc. because the shot difference mixes them up. I get really close sets with my uncle for that reason bc while I'm slamming them corner to corner, he pops a super high lob on the baseline. He doesn't do it all the time but only when on the defense. Its a good strategy that I hope to incorporate into my game. The OLD MAN's GAME! lolol

Yea, it's just MY OPINION, it's amazing these forums, guys get brutal mad, all I'm saying without polictical correctness is my view, my view MAY BE WRONG, but no one will learn anything without debate in kindness and respect, I stand behind what I said, if others get upset that's their problem.

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by slowfox

One guy at my local courts loves to hit a forehand slice. It has crazy sidespin. He says he's used it many a time to dismiss them young guns... lol

Right! All I'm saying is to dismiss the gurus, get tennis in your heart, then let it be an expression of that in your body.

Yea man, sidespin hard forehand low, no one knows what to do with it because the "gurus" hadn't covered that in their lessons to make money.

Never forget guys, this sport is dominated by money, it's a "blue blood" sport, look how they treat the pro's.

I'm just no PC, if you want that you won't like me, sorry

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by NLBwell

So if I truly believe in my mind that I can be taught real tennis, I can become Robert DeNiro? Is that the point of the first post?

No, focus. If you think you can be taught to be your own man, with your own style, ability, etc. by an instructor, you are buying a load of C...P.

You can be taught the basics, which is what this forum is about, the basics, "Oh how do I hit a forehand", cool, but real tennis is inside you. There are a million Deniro's, only a few come out and express themselves, NO ONE taught Deniro or Pachino how to act, did they take acting lessons? You bet, but that didn't make them genious', THEY DID.

They expressed themselves, if you think that you can go through the same training as Fed or Nadal and play like them, you are fooling yourself.

Again, as corney as it sounds I go back to Mr. Miyogi, "I have taught you the basics, giving you a root, now it's time for you to grow, and you will grow your own way", same deal tennis, you FIND YOUR WAY, become YOUR OWN MAN. We are created in God's image with CREATIVITY, use it!

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by sundaypunch

In all seriousness, do you think it is a coincidence that this thread and the "sissies" thread were both started on a Friday or Saturday night?

Yea, I am a honest man, little bit of beer each time. At least I admit it, society today pretends to be perfect, I'm not, so yea I let it go once in awhile when I'm not so politically correct, some find it refreshing truth, even if I make a mistake.

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by tlm

This is a excellent explanation of why S+V is no longer used much or very effective at the higher levels of tennis any longer.

Watch .50 seconds in and tell me playing mid court is not important. You teachers ruin the game by strangling creativity;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EazofVGBoF4

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Mick3391

Yea, I am a honest man, little bit of beer each time. At least I admit it, society today pretends to be perfect, I'm not, so yea I let it go once in awhile when I'm not so politically correct, some find it refreshing truth, even if I make a mistake.

No problem Mick. At least half the posts I've made here have been under the influence of LOTS of beer.

But I'm absolutely sober now, and do agree that of all the factors involved in becoming the best player one can become, the most important are the internal and internalized ones. I bolded and italicized "internalized" because I think that at least some of the good inside stuff can be learned from practicing things communicated by insightful teachers.

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Mick3391

Watch .50 seconds in and tell me playing mid court is not important. You teachers ruin the game by strangling creativity;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EazofVGBoF4

Great vid. It's a keeper. Thanks.

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by TomT

No problem Mick. At least half the posts I've made here have been under the influence of LOTS of beer.

But I'm absolutely sober now, and do agree that of all the factors involved in becoming the best player one can become, the most important are the internal and internalized ones. I bolded and italicized "internalized" because I think that at least some of the good inside stuff can be learned from practicing things communicated by insightful teachers.

I understand, but I'm telling you if you and I both hit a wall things would be very close, the difference is my MENTAL transference to my body, that's all.

I am into science, but also faith, my faith says we are made in God's image, and one of those traits I've studied is man, among all creatures, creativity. In other words, knowledge is one thing, creativity CREATES KNOWLEDGE, something unique to man.

So maybe I had the disavantage of not really being taught, as I said before, kids today aren't really "taught" computers, but my son can outdue me, maybe we are more open younger? I don't know.

Anyways God bless, next time you play think of me, that I NEVER think of what I'm going to do, TRY IT, you have nothing to lose, you may be surprised if you mentally inject CONFIDENCE for "Do this", that you will do a shot that you look back on and say "Wow, I did that". This proves my point I think.

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Mick3391

I understand, but I'm telling you if you and I both hit a wall things would be very close, the difference is my MENTAL transference to my body, that's all.

I am into science, but also faith, my faith says we are made in God's image, and one of those traits I've studied is man, among all creatures, creativity. In other words, knowledge is one thing, creativity CREATES KNOWLEDGE, something unique to man.

So maybe I had the disavantage of not really being taught, as I said before, kids today aren't really "taught" computers, but my son can outdue me, maybe we are more open younger? I don't know.

Anyways God bless, next time you play think of me, that I NEVER think of what I'm going to do, TRY IT, you have nothing to lose, you may be surprised if you mentally inject CONFIDENCE for "Do this", that you will do a shot that you look back on and say "Wow, I did that". This proves my point I think.

Mick, I've never taken a tennis lesson, don't practice much, and don't think when I'm playing. I'm not sure, but I think there's a connection between one or more of those things and the fact that my unique and creatively beautiful tennis game sucks competitively.

I'm gonna hit the sack now. Good talking with you.

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by TomT

Great vid. It's a keeper. Thanks.

Yea, it seem like all of Federers "No way" shots are in mid court, glad no one taught him not to play there!

[tennis_balla]

Originally Posted by Mick3391

You miss the entire point, I don't CARE what so called "Academics" and others theorize, if you can play at the net I'll kill you, simply as that. Don't train at mid-court, I'll kill you, and baseline is simplest of all!

So just because the game today is baseline doesn't mean it's right, you'll see next S&V who comes into the game, what are you going to do with your stats then?

No, you wouldn't

[tennis_balla]

Originally Posted by Mick3391

You miss the entire point, I don't CARE what so called "Academics" and others theorize, if you can play at the net I'll kill you, simply as that. Don't train at mid-court, I'll kill you, and baseline is simplest of all!

So just because the game today is baseline doesn't mean it's right, you'll see next S&V who comes into the game, what are you going to do with your stats then?

Academics and theories? I said academy coaches, not academics. Look up what a tennis academy is. Also, these are no theories.

Originally Posted by Mick3391

Watch .50 seconds in and tell me playing mid court is not important. You teachers ruin the game by strangling creativity;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EazofVGBoF4

That's not mid court, that's net play.
Anyways, serious question here. Where did you come to the conclusion that tennis coaches strangle players creativity?

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by tennis_balla

Academics and theories? I said academy coaches, not academics. Look up what a tennis academy is. Also, these are no theories.




That's not mid court, that's net play.
Anyways, serious question here. Where did you come to the conclusion that tennis coaches strangle players creativity?

Simple, all you have to do is WATCH IT BEFORE SPEAKING.

Watch Fed pick up shots mid court, "No mans land", his "No Way" shots, by commentators and fans are always mid court or the net, so think what you will, hate debating emotional women who can't use logic.

It's incredible, you listen to commentators, they say things like "Well Djokavich is not good at the net", AMAZING, top guy, can't play all court.

Maybe you need a lesson in all court, all it means is that someone is as accomplished everywhere they play, a baseliner in not, so modern teachers "Choke Creativity" BIG TIME when they say "Oh, yea the game has changed, get back three feet behind the baseline, here's your 110 inch racket, I look good, get paid right"?

Guarenteed, next great serve and volleyer, or if they speed up courts, you'll be like "Heh, we need to train the new way, all court", "We don't do mindless baseline anymore".

I play with people like you on the courts, you have no idea how to deal with a short side spin shot, hard low left angled shot, no clue! I beat pro's girl, so don't talk unless you know what you are talking about, sick of fools who can't play trying to commentate my points that can help others, Tennis is in the MIND.

[Mick3391]

Yea what are you going to do when my SON, 12 years old, drop a shot barely over the net off your hard shot, landing and spinning 3 feet to your left? No answer, I thought so.

This is a forum, aside from Tom, where, well anyways......

Look up Justin Bower, I can take him anytime I'm in shape, played him, he's nothing, just a relaxed baseliner, no heart, nothing, I use a smaller racquet, 90 than he does and I don't MISS!

[DownTheLineWith90]

Yet another argument on talk tennis...
Well for me, the motto is "shut up, think, and just play"
Why argue about what's the "correct" modern game?
Just go out there and do your thing. Simple.
Who cares about other people saying "volleying is so old school. no one does it anymore."
Just do it.

[tennis_balla]

My answers in red....

Originally Posted by Mick3391

Simple, all you have to do is WATCH IT BEFORE SPEAKING.

Watch Fed pick up shots mid court, "No mans land", his "No Way" shots, by commentators and fans are always mid court or the net, so think what you will, hate debating emotional women who can't use logic.

I am not a woman but its nice to know you are showing your true colours with degrading comments such as that. You are looking for a debate, so keep it civil and intelligent at least.

It's incredible, you listen to commentators, they say things like "Well Djokavich is not good at the net", AMAZING, top guy, can't play all court.

Maybe you need a lesson in all court, all it means is that someone is as accomplished everywhere they play, a baseliner in not, so modern teachers "Choke Creativity" BIG TIME when they say "Oh, yea the game has changed, get back three feet behind the baseline, here's your 110 inch racket, I look good, get paid right"?

Wrong, fabrication.

Guarenteed, next great serve and volleyer, or if they speed up courts, you'll be like "Heh, we need to train the new way, all court", "We don't do mindless baseline anymore".

Key word there "IF". Right now the courts at the pro level are slow, thus baseline play and mid-court rules, not net play. Supports my statement from my earlier post, thanks.

I play with people like you on the courts, you have no idea how to deal with a short side spin shot, hard low left angled shot, no clue! I beat pro's girl, so don't talk unless you know what you are talking about, sick of fools who can't play trying to commentate my points that can help others, Tennis is in the MIND.

That's funny right there.