Does Modern Tennis Exist?

[treblings]

Originally Posted by sureshs

The coaches here are not unknown - they are some of the best in the business. You can save a lot of money by just reading the stuff here.

well, to be exact, most of the coaches here use an alias, which i think is a good and understandable thing to do in an internet forum if you don´t want to sell something.
´some of the best in the business´- that´s a typical sureshs exaggeration
there is a number of coaches here, whose advice i cherish. two of this folks post in this thread regularly, one of them started it.
funnily enough they don´t agree about a lot but that´s another story
if i posted a video here, i would listen closely to their advice, and take from it what i like and leave the rest. tbc...

[luvforty]

so I went out and tried both.... hit some of the most nasty fh and 1hbh I ever hit... trajectory is different, noticeably more spin on the fh... ball is heavier on both wings... and control is better.

at the end of my 1hbh follow thru, it looks like I am ready to hit an open-stance extreme western fh lol.

[5263]

Originally Posted by luvforty

so I went out and tried both.... hit some of the most nasty fh and 1hbh I ever hit... trajectory is different, noticeably more spin on the fh... ball is heavier on both wings... and control is better.

at the end of my 1hbh follow thru, it looks like I am ready to hit an open-stance extreme western fh lol.

Man, that is awesome. I felt the same when I learned of this aspect of the
modern technique.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by treblings

well, to be exact, most of the coaches here use an alias, which i think is a good and understandable thing to do in an internet forum if you don´t want to sell something.
´some of the best in the business´- that´s a typical sureshs exaggeration
there is a number of coaches here, whose advice i cherish. two of this folks post in this thread regularly, one of them started it.
funnily enough they don´t agree about a lot but that´s another story
if i posted a video here, i would listen closely to their advice, and take from it what i like and leave the rest. tbc...

A lot of tips come from non-coaches too. I have found gems in comments by ordinary players. Once incorporated, I forget where they originated from, so I can't list them now.

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by 5263

Man, that is awesome. I felt the same when I learned of this aspect of the
modern technique.

yeah it was good... also i felt that, going with my 'stay sideways not' thread, the esr goes well with opening up.... otherwise i risk shutting the face and dump it into the net.

[julian]

Originally Posted by JohnYandell

Julian,

You should try to summarize those articles in a few simple English sentences.
But yeah, any competent researcher is going to reach similar conclusions.

John,

1.One piece is that numerical data (presented in a graph) should NOT be trusted
in the interval starting four milliseconds before the contact and finishing four
milliseconds after the contact
One of your articles (or BG's) touches the issue as well in the case of SERVE.

I am referring to the graph of http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=6537769 post #198
It as much simple English as I can handle.


2.The movement of the racket upwards starts 11 milliseconds before the contact.It is quite late
I am NOT sure the number of 11 milliseconds is correct
See the dotted curve crossing the horizontal line x=0 axis at time equal 11 milliseconds.
It is related to the issue how steep the upward TRAJECTORY IS

3.The corresponding case (see #2 above) can be analyzed for backhand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPBM-hE1Dhw

4.Just for the record the data of Fitzell are presented in
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=6537769 post #182
Please see the BLUE DATA/BLUE CURVE.


4.If you have any feedback about #1,#2 and #3 please let me know,
regards,
Julian

[Cheetah]

Originally Posted by luvforty

yeah it was good... also i felt that, going with my 'stay sideways not' thread, the esr goes well with opening up.... otherwise i risk shutting the face and dump it into the net.

are you sure you're not using supination instead of esr?

[treblings]

Originally Posted by sureshs

A lot of tips come from non-coaches too. I have found gems in comments by ordinary players. Once incorporated, I forget where they originated from, so I can't list them now.

neither would i want you to
what a good coach can do is train you, teach you and coach you.
based on her/his personal knowledge of your game and physical and mental capabilities. that is much more than tips.
anyway, my aim is not to convince you,i know my limits
most people will agree that if you want to learn a musical instrument the best way is to take lessons with a certified teacher and not depend on tips over the internet. it´s the same with tennis

[Ash_Smith]

^^^Yep, a lot of the tips shared on here are good (and a mahooosive amount are pure horse****!), but they are things that other players have been told (either in person by a coach, or something they read in a book or on t'internet) and as such are "second hand" tips - in other words they are not tailored to you and your needs as a player. There is no substitute to seeing a good professional coach!

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by Cheetah

are you sure you're not using supination instead of esr?

i am pretty sure i am doing both - hence the opening up of the posture.

[JohnYandell]

Treb,

Thank you sir for your gratifying words...

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by treblings

neither would i want you to
what a good coach can do is train you, teach you and coach you.
based on her/his personal knowledge of your game and physical and mental capabilities. that is much more than tips.
anyway, my aim is not to convince you,i know my limits
most people will agree that if you want to learn a musical instrument the best way is to take lessons with a certified teacher and not depend on tips over the internet. it´s the same with tennis

Most of the things I learnt for my work were on my own. And I continue to do so. I did take a clinic end of last year, you know.

[treblings]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Most of the things I learnt for my work were on my own. And I continue to do so.
Yes, i assumed as much from some of your posts. and you take that approach over to tennis. i can understand that. but a critical and contrarian mind like yourself could ask the question whether there isn´t a better and more efficient way to learn. do you send your kids to school or do you let them learn by themselves?
I did take a clinic end of last year, you know.
while you were in hawaii? i´m not a big fan of clinics. too many things can go wrong and the coaches there usually don´t know you or your game

did you learn something at the clinic?

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by treblings

did you learn something at the clinic?

No.

There was no other option to get some court time during vacation.

[5263]

Originally Posted by 5263

Did I claim to have developed any system?

Actually I did develop my Smart Target system, with charting system that goes
with it. Hmmm

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by 5263

Actually I did develop my Smart Target system, with charting system that goes
with it. Hmmm

hey 5263 i think your system is flawed... i left some comments in your thread.

[sureshs]

Smart targets are OK and fancy, but tennis should be simple and based on feel and natural instincts. Just hit where the other guy isn't and don't hit up the middle.

[5263]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Smart targets are OK and fancy, but tennis should be simple and based on feel and natural instincts. Just hit where the other guy isn't and don't hit up the middle.

Thanks for the feedback, but I thought I had broken it down to the bare basics
of simplicity.
Interesting that it is still too fancy or involved iyo.

[julian]

In the case of serve a decent article is
http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medi...1_original.PDF

[TomT]

Not so modern tennis:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/ri...-riggs-v-budge