Prince Original Graphite ( POG ) Mid and OS versions

[v-verb]

Originally Posted by coachrick

Interesting string experiment...can't say I've ever tried poly in the 'original' rackets. I usually go for something 'age-appropriate' like nat gut or a soft multi. Let us know how they feel!

I'll be playing a Prince Boron and POG mid 1 stripe tomorrow night - both with poly RPM Team 17.

Tension is 53 for the Boron and 48 for the POG. The stringer went higher than I wanted - I asked for 40 for the Byron and 38 for the POG but I guess they thought they knew best and strung way higher as I mentioned in another thread - the tension has dropped a bit since then.

Any I bought a stringer so I'll be doing my own racquets soon.

[mad dog1]

Originally Posted by coachrick

Interesting string experiment...can't say I've ever tried poly in the 'original' rackets. I usually go for something 'age-appropriate' like nat gut or a soft multi. Let us know how they feel!

before i started stringing poly lower, i tried it in the POG OS 4 stripe and thought the stick felt really dead and assumed it wasn't a good match because the stick wasn't made for poly. fast forward a bit, i've dropped my tensions for poly and i found that poly in the low 50s for the POG OS plays amazingly well. in fact poly (discho iontec black 1.25) in the low 50s has none of the brassy feel that syn gut @ 58#s has.

i can't go any lower than low 50s otherwise control is compromised.

[mad dog1]

Originally Posted by v-verb

I'll be playing a Prince Boron and POG mid 1 stripe tomorrow night - both with poly RPM Team 17.

Tension is 53 for the Boron and 48 for the POG. The stringer went higher than I wanted - I asked for 40 for the Byron and 38 for the POG but I guess they thought they knew best and strung way higher as I mentioned in another thread - the tension as dropped a bit since then.

Any I bought a stringer so I'll be doing my own racquets soon.

i'll string 18x20 mid or midplus sticks in the low 40s, but the POG mid is a 14x18 pattern. very open pattern at low tensions results in lack of control for me.

i'm interested in hearing how 38 works out for you.

[TheLambsheadrep]

I was reading how the first two renditions of the POG 110" had a more teardrop shape compared to the POG 3 through Tour (first of all, is this true? how different are the head shapes?). I recently got my POG 2, and by the end of a good hitting session this Sunday I could swear that the POG and my Head twin tube radical tours had the same shape. After I got home I laid them on each other, and it's as close as close can be. the biggest difference is that the handle for the POG is shorter so the POG has more throat to it, but the hoop and most of the throat of the two racquets are almost identical.

The first thought in my head was that since Agassi started with the POG, when he switched to Head maybe they modeled the early radicals after the early POG. Again, this is a POG 2 (individual grommets), and I've read here that Agassi used the POG 3 and/or 4 professionally, which supposedly have different head shapes. Did Agassi ever use a 1st or 2nd generation POG while on tour, or maybe when he was up and coming?

And this is prob a stupid question, but the tension says no less than 72lbs, will stringing it in the mid 50's to mid 60's hurt the frame at all?

[mad dog1]

Originally Posted by TheLambsheadrep

And this is prob a stupid question, but the tension says no less than 72lbs, will stringing it in the mid 50's to mid 60's hurt the frame at all?

this has got to be some sort of trick question, right? it's gotta be.

[TheLambsheadrep]

Originally Posted by mad dog1

this has got to be some sort of trick question, right? it's gotta be.

Hey, I'm just being extra careful :P . This stick is +30 years old, and while I don't see the harm in stringing at the range I asked about, the posted range on the frame has to be there for a reason

[Mike Bulgakov]

I have a stock of old Fischer racquets that I normally use, but every once in awhile, I hit with a POG OS for fun. The racquet is a spin machine. It doesn't quite suit my game, but it is a great racquet and a lot of fun to hit with.

[123ten]

Originally Posted by TheLambsheadrep

.... but the tension says no less than 72lbs, will stringing it in the mid 50's to mid 60's hurt the frame at all?

I had a few 1st generation grommetless and some 4th generation 4 stripe OS POGs and regarding the tension stated, the rationale I gathered was that they were stated in the 70 lb range due to the relatively large head size (107") of these POGs compared to the mid size racquets (60-70") of that time and the strings used at that time (mostly natural).

One of my 4 stripe OS POG was strung with synthetic gut at 70lbs and it felt great. Having said that, I had strung another at 58lbs with some multi-filament and it also felt ok. Just to see how it would feel, I strung another at 48lbs with natural gut and it wasn't that good. Some of the others were strung at 64lbs and they were good. So to answer your question, if you are especially using poly strings, you don't have to go to the 70lb range.

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[TheLambsheadrep]

Originally Posted by 123ten

I had a few 1st generation grommetless and some 4th generation 4 stripe OS POGs and regarding the tension stated, the rationale I gathered was that they were stated in the 70 lb range due to the relatively large head size (107") of these POGs compared to the mid size racquets (60-70") of that time and the strings used at that time (mostly natural).

One of my 4 stripe OS POG was strung with synthetic gut at 70lbs and it felt great. Having said that, I had strung another at 58lbs with some multi-filament and it also felt ok. Just to see how it would feel, I strung another at 48lbs with natural gut and it wasn't that good. Some of the others were strung at 64lbs and they were good. So to answer your question, if you are especially using poly strings, you don't have to go to the 70lb range.

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Thanks for the input! I normally do Kevlar/syn gut hybrids or full poly jobs. I like kevlar at 63lbs in my TT Radical Tours, and even though I've never had arm pain from it, I just don't know if 70lbs is too high for kevlar. I'll prob string it at 70lbs for at least one run, but if it hurts or doesn't play well, I'll drop it to 63lbs

[Hannah19]

Originally Posted by TheLambsheadrep

Thanks for the input! I normally do Kevlar/syn gut hybrids or full poly jobs. I like kevlar at 63lbs in my TT Radical Tours, and even though I've never had arm pain from it, I just don't know if 70lbs is too high for kevlar. I'll prob string it at 70lbs for at least one run, but if it hurts or doesn't play well, I'll drop it to 63lbs

Just out of curiosity....Kevlar has no stretch what so ever, right?
So, you can pull it at any tension, it won't budge!
So 20 or 70 lbs should not make any difference.....No?

[PBODY99]

Originally Posted by Hannah19

Just out of curiosity....Kevlar has no stretch what so ever, right?
So, you can pull it at any tension, it won't budge!
So 20 or 70 lbs should not make any difference.....No?

Most kevlar string jobs are hybrid. The cross string gives the string bed its feel.

[TheLambsheadrep]

Originally Posted by PBODY99

Most kevlar string jobs are hybrid. The cross string gives the string bed its feel.

That, plus it saves the kevlar haha. a full bed of it is not necessary and it's on the expensive side as it is

[TheLambsheadrep]

This is interesting - http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/..._letterman.jpg

Based off the solid green line, it's a POG 1-3, but can anyone say which one? And would anyone happen to know if this is one of Agassi's own racquets?

here's the article http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/...the-late-show/

[TheLambsheadrep]

First, I would like for someone to at least try to answer my question above.

Second, since no one seemed to know about POG 3 or later grommet strips/bumper guard fitting the POG 1 or 2, I went out on a limb and tried it myself. I bought 3 grommet sets from a seller here on the board knowing they might not, if not probably wont, fit. I can now say they DO NOT fit for two reasons - the drill pattern does not line up with the grommets and the grommets themselves are too thick for the frame holes. I would have cut them up to replicate individual grommets, but they won't even go in.

So I just wanted to make the answer official known for anyone else that was wondering. I believe my plan now is to keep one or two sets (since I am looking for a POG 3 or 4) and sell the other, or keep just one and sell two. If anyone who checks this thread is interested, just send me a message or wait to see them in the "for sale" section. They are all brand new and I did not alter any of them to try to get them to fit

[BlueB]

Wrong thread. Deleted.

[Dino Lagaffe]

Copied from the Post pictures of your racquets and tennis gear-thread

My POGs. From the left are two one-stripes, two Tour Graphite OS, one Graphite 90 (four stripes), and finally six Graphite Midplus (four stripes).

[v-verb]

Originally Posted by TheLambsheadrep

First, I would like for someone to at least try to answer my question above.

Second, since no one seemed to know about POG 3 or later grommet strips/bumper guard fitting the POG 1 or 2, I went out on a limb and tried it myself. I bought 3 grommet sets from a seller here on the board knowing they might not, if not probably wont, fit. I can now say they DO NOT fit for two reasons - the drill pattern does not line up with the grommets and the grommets themselves are too thick for the frame holes. I would have cut them up to replicate individual grommets, but they won't even go in.

So I just wanted to make the answer official known for anyone else that was wondering. I believe my plan now is to keep one or two sets (since I am looking for a POG 3 or 4) and sell the other, or keep just one and sell two. If anyone who checks this thread is interested, just send me a message or wait to see them in the "for sale" section. They are all brand new and I did not alter any of them to try to get them to fit

That's a drag - I have 2 POG 2 mids that need bumpers and grommets..

[MichaelChang]

Originally Posted by TheLambsheadrep

First, I would like for someone to at least try to answer my question above.

Second, since no one seemed to know about POG 3 or later grommet strips/bumper guard fitting the POG 1 or 2, I went out on a limb and tried it myself. I bought 3 grommet sets from a seller here on the board knowing they might not, if not probably wont, fit. I can now say they DO NOT fit for two reasons - the drill pattern does not line up with the grommets and the grommets themselves are too thick for the frame holes. I would have cut them up to replicate individual grommets, but they won't even go in.

So I just wanted to make the answer official known for anyone else that was wondering. I believe my plan now is to keep one or two sets (since I am looking for a POG 3 or 4) and sell the other, or keep just one and sell two. If anyone who checks this thread is interested, just send me a message or wait to see them in the "for sale" section. They are all brand new and I did not alter any of them to try to get them to fit

a couple of random things I can think of:
1. among all the POG OS 1-4, the best one is probably POG3, and it is the one Agassi used some time in his early days, I have seen picture of him holding that racket.
2. in my humble opinion, POG1 or 2 is just a pain to maintain, due to grommets etc. unless you have one in mint condition, and plays 1hbh (due to short handle), otherwise it just takes too much effort.
3. POG4 4stripe is a hit or miss, due to multiple versions/runs. I prefer ones made in Taiwan, and hate the ones made in thailand. and they weight almost 1oz different in stock form.

[TheLambsheadrep]

Originally Posted by MichaelChang

a couple of random things I can think of:
1. among all the POG OS 1-4, the best one is probably POG3, and it is the one Agassi used some time in his early days, I have seen picture of him holding that racket.
2. in my humble opinion, POG1 or 2 is just a pain to maintain, due to grommets etc. unless you have one in mint condition, and plays 1hbh (due to short handle), otherwise it just takes too much effort.
3. POG4 4stripe is a hit or miss, due to multiple versions/runs. I prefer ones made in Taiwan, and hate the ones made in thailand. and they weight almost 1oz different in stock form.

Thanks for getting back to me MichaelChang, I've been eagerly awaiting your info! I def want to get my hands on a POG 3 and will prob keep my POG 2. Now that I took all the i.grommets out of it, could it almost be considered a POG 1, or were there noticeable spec differences between the POG 1 an 2? And I would be interested in a POG 4, but I use heavier racquets so when there are POG's out there at 13oz stock and I'd have to lead up a POG 4, it's kind of a turn off for now.

[MichaelChang]

POG4 is lighter than 1/2/3, the few Taiwan one I had is 12.5 but the ones from Thailand is below 12. I forgot how was the China made.

For your inquiry regarding difference in specs between 1 and 2, I have to be honest that I forgot myself. I didn't keep any POG1. I kept myself 2 POG2 in mint condition and I remember it weights almost same as POG3 and the balance is also very close. Between 2 and 3, I think 3 is a little more stable on off-center shots, 2 is a little less powerful. I was once wondering, POG2 and 3 looks similar and without the bumper on 2, yet the stick still weights over 13oz just like POG3, amazing.