Wow, NFL great Junior Seau dead? - Page 3

hollywood9826 · 05-04-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by maverick66

We know they take stuff but that isnt why they are having suicide rates through the roof.

There isnt much link to PEDS and suicide if there was track and field athletes would be dropping dead left and right. Tennis players, Soccer players, cyclists, basketball,hockey, and just about every other sport would be dropping dead left and right. They all take them its just a fact of life now. So yes other things are what is causing football players issues.

I thnk volley girl is saying the use of PEDS in a sport like football is what is causing more of this Head Trauma that give poeple pleple in theier 30s the brains of 80 year olds. I think they said dave duerson had early onset demtia and that typically doesnt occur until someone is way past the age he was at. Letting a 275lb guy run 4.4s into another 250lb guy running a 4.3 is alot difernt than Art donovan arm tackling an rb in 1957. Donovan has bad knees but his head is still pretty sharp.

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Originally Posted by tricky

Maverick is discussing causal link between PEDs and extreme depression. It's just not very strong. Addiction to painkillers? Very, very strong.

Agreed. But the PEDS lead to more pain being inflicted IMO.

maverick66 · 05-04-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywood9826

I thnk volley girl is saying the use of PEDS in a sport like football is what is causing more of this Head Trauma that give poeple pleple in theier 30s the brains of 80 year olds. I think they said dave duerson had early onset demtia and that typically doesnt occur until someone is way past the age he was at. Letting a 275lb guy run 4.4s into another 250lb guy running a 4.3 is alot difernt than Art donovan arm tackling an rb in 1957. Donovan has bad knees but his head is still pretty sharp.

i agree the game got much faster and alot more violent on the head on collisions. you dont have enough money to get me to return kickoffs. However that isnt the PEDS doing that. Thats the sport and the general athletes being trained better and just being more athletic.

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Originally Posted by hollywood9826

Agreed. But the PEDS lead to more pain being inflicted IMO.

Maybe. But it also aids in recovering from that injury alot faster. HGH is a very good tool for getting the players back on the field.

hollywood9826 · 05-04-2012, 11:59 AM

But they guys use them to heal beyond natural means

Fearsome Forehand · 05-04-2012, 12:14 PM

The concussion thing has been a problem in football for a long time. I am aware of a couple of cases of players who played their football is the 1950's and 1960's who both had frontal lobe damage similar to what boxers suffer. Both former Baltimore Colts, John Mackey (Tight End out of Syracuse) and Don Schinnik (Linebacker out of UCLA.) Schinnik played about 13 years in the NFL, Mackey about 10. Mackey was also the head of the players union for a number of years.

I recall an interview with an old time player who suggested getting rid of facemasks as a means of reducing head injuries. He maintained that most players aren't going to use their heads to make hits if they have no mask.

The list of boxers who have suffered the effects of too many head shots is very long. Some end up as badly as Mackey and Schinnik. Jerry Quarry and his brother Mike both ended up like that. Clay/Ali also seems to have suffered the effects. Jimmy Ellis is not all there anymore. Some boxers seem impervious to the punishment. George Chuvalo took a lot of head shots and he is still very together mentally as is Ron Lyle among others. Ken Norton was in a coma for years after a terrible car crash. (He drove off a ramp on the SD Freeway so he is in pretty bad shape.)

The NFL is going to have to address the issue as the lawsuits roll in. I think Seau probably had other issues but no one would argue that getting hit in the head repeatedly is good for one's faculties.

Ronaldo · 05-04-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywood9826

But they guys use them to heal beyond natural means

Don't seem to heal those brain cells

tricky · 05-04-2012, 12:44 PM

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Agreed. But the PEDS lead to more pain being inflicted IMO.

Fair point. I definitely agree. Nothing like going to a NFL game and seeing the game at floor level. TV doesn't convey the violence of the collisions.

Avles · 01-10-2013, 09:35 AM

Seau suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy caused by repeated hits to the head:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/junior-seau...ry?id=18171785

Not a shocker. Wonder how many players out there now are developing CTE.

ollinger · 01-10-2013, 09:41 AM

When I ran the dementia research ward at Mt. Sinai in NYC a prominent former middleweight (he lost a very tough bout to Sugar Ray Robinson) was refered to us for assessment. Probably had traumatic encephalopathy ("dementia pugilistica" as it's known), problem was that when a fire drill alarm bell went off as it did at least once a day, he'd jump out of his chair thinking it was the start of a round. It would take a minute or two to calm him down.

r2473 · 01-10-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Avles

Seau suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy caused by repeated hits to the head:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/junior-seau...ry?id=18171785

Not a shocker. Wonder how many players out there now are developing CTE.

pfffffff...........it was all just in his head.

krz · 01-10-2013, 09:48 AM

Great! More ammo for a ridiculous lawsuit for a bunch of guys who can't manage their finances.

jaggy · 01-10-2013, 10:14 AM

Stupid game that needs to be outlawed yesterday

Dedans Penthouse · 01-10-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jaggy

Stupid game that needs to be outlawed yesterday

Roll Tide

stringertom · 01-10-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jaggy

Stupid game that needs to be outlawed yesterday

I've often shared that feeling when entrapped within a rectangular space measuring 78 ft x 36 ft.

jamesblakefan#1 · 01-10-2013, 11:36 AM

Michael Irvin was on Jim Rome's radio show today. He said these guys don't just miss the cheers, but their entire identity of being a football player all of their lives, and then it just changes when they retire and it's not as easy as just finding another job. Also said that he fears for himself and his own well being at times.

Ronaldo · 01-10-2013, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Michael Irvin was on Jim Rome's radio show today. He said these guys don't just miss the cheers, but their entire identity of being a football player all of their lives, and then it just changes when they retire and it's not as easy as just finding another job. Also said that he fears for himself and his own well being at times.

The Playmaker and Primetime should get a food truck to occupy their time, http://jogasakiburrito.com/

Disgruntled Worker · 01-10-2013, 04:48 PM

Junior Seau played football for almost three decades - four years of high school, three years at USC, and of course 20 seasons in the NFL. On top of that, he played middle/outside linebacker - an absolutely BRUTAL position, even by football standards. The abuse he took during this time is by no means the norm. But parents must consider his tragic story when signing their children up for Pee-Wee league and beyond.

Ronaldo · 01-10-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Disgruntled Worker

Junior Seau played football for almost three decades - four years of high school, three years at USC, and of course 20 seasons in the NFL. On top of that, he played middle/outside linebacker - an absolutely BRUTAL position, even by football standards. The abuse he took during this time is by no means the norm. But parents must consider his tragic story when signing their children up for Pee-Wee league and beyond.

Locally, parents sign their kids up for football early. Bro-in-law signed his daughter up at 4 yo. She likes flag football. Her cousin started at 3.

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Fearsome Forehand Professional Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,033	The concussion thing has been a problem in football for a long time. I am aware of a couple of cases of players who played their football is the 1950's and 1960's who both had frontal lobe damage similar to what boxers suffer. Both former Baltimore Colts, John Mackey (Tight End out of Syracuse) and Don Schinnik (Linebacker out of UCLA.) Schinnik played about 13 years in the NFL, Mackey about 10. Mackey was also the head of the players union for a number of years. I recall an interview with an old time player who suggested getting rid of facemasks as a means of reducing head injuries. He maintained that most players aren't going to use their heads to make hits if they have no mask. The list of boxers who have suffered the effects of too many head shots is very long. Some end up as badly as Mackey and Schinnik. Jerry Quarry and his brother Mike both ended up like that. Clay/Ali also seems to have suffered the effects. Jimmy Ellis is not all there anymore. Some boxers seem impervious to the punishment. George Chuvalo took a lot of head shots and he is still very together mentally as is Ron Lyle among others. Ken Norton was in a coma for years after a terrible car crash. (He drove off a ramp on the SD Freeway so he is in pretty bad shape.) The NFL is going to have to address the issue as the lawsuits roll in. I think Seau probably had other issues but no one would argue that getting hit in the head repeatedly is good for one's faculties. Last edited by Fearsome Forehand : 05-04-2012 at 12:22 PM.

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ollinger Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,471	When I ran the dementia research ward at Mt. Sinai in NYC a prominent former middleweight (he lost a very tough bout to Sugar Ray Robinson) was refered to us for assessment. Probably had traumatic encephalopathy ("dementia pugilistica" as it's known), problem was that when a fire drill alarm bell went off as it did at least once a day, he'd jump out of his chair thinking it was the start of a round. It would take a minute or two to calm him down. __________________ Angell 105 WC Silverstring

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Disgruntled Worker Rookie Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 246	Junior Seau played football for almost three decades - four years of high school, three years at USC, and of course 20 seasons in the NFL. On top of that, he played middle/outside linebacker - an absolutely BRUTAL position, even by football standards. The abuse he took during this time is by no means the norm. But parents must consider his tragic story when signing their children up for Pee-Wee league and beyond. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70UN7RMBjxo