At their best, who would win?

[kiki]

Originally Posted by abmk

lol, wut ? fact is you are near clueless about tennis and only keep on boosting up your fav, laver, kodes and hingis ...

I never ever said henman was better than kodes .... show one post where I said or implied that ..

I only said henman > taylor ( and by some distance ) , i,e. the toughest opponent hewitt faced in wimbledon 2002 was by some distance better than the toughest opponent kodes faced in wimbledon 1973 ......

and the field was a full one in 2002 compared to the one in 73 ....

roddick has just as much champion/fighting mentality as kodes, if not more ... and is a superior player on any surface bar clay ... overall a superior player, deal with it ...

yes, that is why Roddick´s record at Wimbledon is just as great as Stolle´s...oh¡ wait, you enhance him so to boost your crush federer.I got you, liar.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by pc1

Laver won the Italian on clay I believe in 1971 over Kodes. The Italian was the second biggest clay tournament. It shows that it's very possible that Laver would have been a big factor at the French that year. Looking in hindsight on what Laver and Rosewall did after 1971 it is possible that they may have been the two best on clay in 1971. Not saying that they definitely were the two best but they certainly were up there with anyone.

yes, no doubt about that.Laver´s 71 IO win was really his last great win and he showed how dominant he was when highly motivated.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

Yes, indeed. He is currently a hot television star.
I showed his online photos to my wife, and she claims that I am more handsome than he is, in spite of the fact that he is twenty-one years younger, a compliment I can live with. (excuse the pun)

Did you ever introduce Lew Hoad to your wife?

I am sure you are smart enough not to do so...

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Federic, You might be right about top ten players.

Laver and Rosewall were surely the best claycourters 1970 to 1972.

Re 1971: Laver won the Italian Open with a clear win against Kodes. Rosewall won the top tournament of Washington with wins against Laver, Smith and Riessen. Both were awesome also in 1970 and 1972.

Rosewall, as good a clay courter as he had been, never showed again that on clay.He was old and he economized ( he was clever indeed) so in the 70´s his record on fast surfaces like indoors and grass was great but not so his cc record.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

Nastase also did not have to play Rosewall at RG in 1973, and faced a weak field.

Nothing could stop 1973 Nastase on clay...well, except Ilie himself.He also won Barcelona with two sensational wins over Kodes and Orantes who were playing their best tennis.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by kiki

Rosewall, as good a clay courter as he had been, never showed again that on clay.He was old and he economized ( he was clever indeed) so in the 70´s his record on fast surfaces like indoors and grass was great but not so his cc record.

kiki, I must correct you: Rosewall's record on clay in the 1970s was still great. For instance he won the 1970 Cincinnati tournament where most top players of the French Open participated. In 1971 he won Washington. In 1972 he lost to Laver in the Houston final and won Charlotte. In 1973 he won Houston and Charlotte plus won Tokyo against your darling Newcombe. In 1974 he lost the final of Tokyo to Newk. In 1975 he won Houston and Gstaad. In the latter event Vilas participated. In 1976 he reached the Houston final and beat Solomon at Charlotte 6-2,6-1. As late as 1978 (at 43 plus) he won a set against Dibbs (No.4 cc player) by 6-0. Please reflect once more about old Rosewall as cc player!

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kiki, I must correct you: Rosewall's record on clay in the 1970s was still great. For instance he won the 1970 Cincinnati tournament where most top players of the French Open participated. In 1971 he won Washington. In 1972 he lost to Laver in the Houston final and won Charlotte. In 1973 he won Houston and Charlotte plus won Tokyo against your darling Newcombe. In 1974 he lost the final of Tokyo to Newk. In 1975 he won Houston and Gstaad. In the latter event Vilas participated. In 1976 he reached the Houston final and beat Solomon at Charlotte 6-2,6-1. As late as 1978 (at 43 plus) he won a set against Dibbs (No.4 cc player) by 6-0. Please reflect once more about old Rosewall as cc player!

He fared not well enough at clay court majors.Not that he didn´t win a prestigious WCT event like Houston or North Conway.

My " darling" Newcombe beat Rosewall i one sided matches at the 1971 Wimbleodn semi and 1973 US semi.Please, reflect on Newcombe a bit more.

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by kiki

Did you ever introduce Lew Hoad to your wife?

I am sure you are smart enough not to do so...

I have not shown any Hoad photos to my wife, who is younger and even more attractive than I am.

[chandler bing]

Men
Hard Court: Connors
Grass: Sampras
Clay: Borg
Carpet: McEnroe

Women
Hard Court: S.Williams
Grass: Navratilova
Clay: Evert and Henin (can't separate them)
Carpet: Navratilova

[abmk]

Originally Posted by kiki

yes, that is why Roddick´s record at Wimbledon is just as great as Stolle´s...oh¡ wait, you enhance him so to boost your crush federer.I got you, liar.

what the hell are you on about ? roddick made finals in full fields , stolle in amateur fields that didn't have the best players, the pros ......he was getting beaten up by emerson who wasn't close to federer's level ....

[kiki]

Would Roddick fare any better tham Roscoe Tanner if he played in the 70-80 with Roscoe' s equipment? We all know the answer is a damn big NO

[kiki]

Originally Posted by abmk

what the hell are you on about ? roddick made finals in full fields , stolle in amateur fields that didn't have the best players, the pros ......he was getting beaten up by emerson who wasn't close to federer's level ....

Hewitt +Roddick : Kodes
Learn to live with that

[pc1]

Originally Posted by chandler bing

Men
Hard Court: Connors
Grass: Sampras
Clay: Borg
Carpet: McEnroe

Women
Hard Court: S.Williams
Grass: Navratilova
Clay: Evert and Henin (can't separate them)
Carpet: Navratilova

I like the way you separate the courts. The choices are reasonable too.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by kiki

He fared not well enough at clay court majors.Not that he didn´t win a prestigious WCT event like Houston or North Conway.

My " darling" Newcombe beat Rosewall i one sided matches at the 1971 Wimbleodn semi and 1973 US semi.Please, reflect on Newcombe a bit more.

I actually don't think Newcombe gets enough attention on these forums. While he wasn't for his career as great as some all time greats I believe at his best he was superior to many great players. He was one of the greatest pressure players I've ever seen and he could play on all surfaces. If he was in shape and at his peak he could defeat any player in history.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by pc1

I actually don't think Newcombe gets enough attention on these forums. While he wasn't for his career as great as some all time greats I believe at his best he was superior to many great players. He was one of the greatest pressure players I've ever seen and he could play on all surfaces. If he was in shape and at his peak he could defeat any player in history.

Of course.I always thought that about him.Even if he is from the first stages of opene ra, there seems to be much more admiration for guys like Ashe,Roche,Nastase and others.Newcombe crushes them all in records and dominance for the course of an event.I don´t think there´s been a tougher competitior in the 70´s except Borg and maybe, Connors.But he beat both of them in major finals.He had a very complete all round game, not a great BH, sure, but a terrific first serve ( probably the most complete first and secon serves of the decade ) and one of the greatest FH shots of history.He was an extraordinary athlete, able to get drunk and play a great match hours later.He was extremely charismatic, and the guy you´d always want for a friend.He was the last Australian Emperor and nobody else could fill that inmmense role with such grace.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by kiki

Of course.I always thought that about him.Even if he is from the first stages of opene ra, there seems to be much more admiration for guys like Ashe,Roche,Nastase and others.Newcombe crushes them all in records and dominance for the course of an event.I don´t think there´s been a tougher competitior in the 70´s except Borg and maybe, Connors.But he beat both of them in major finals.He had a very complete all round game, not a great BH, sure, but a terrific first serve ( probably the most complete first and secon serves of the decade ) and one of the greatest FH shots of history.He was an extraordinary athlete, able to get drunk and play a great match hours later.He was extremely charismatic, and the guy you´d always want for a friend.He was the last Australian Emperor and nobody else could fill that inmmense role with such grace.

I agree with everything you wrote here. Incidentally I think the great Newcombe forehand gets forgotten when it comes to discussing the greatest forehands of all time. It was a fantastic shot on all surfaces.

[kiki]

Ashe himself said that he always feared when Newcombe went to the left alley to return serve and moved to the corner so to let maximum space for his FH ROS...and ashe had one of the finest first serves that I have seen.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by kiki

He fared not well enough at clay court majors.Not that he didn´t win a prestigious WCT event like Houston or North Conway.

My " darling" Newcombe beat Rosewall i one sided matches at the 1971 Wimbleodn semi and 1973 US semi.Please, reflect on Newcombe a bit more.

kiki, You are a world class cynic: Rosewall fared not well enough at clay court majors? He did not enter them!!! He only played the 1977 US Open when he was almost 43.

1971 was onesided because Rosewall had a fantastic QF match against Richey in five long sets. 1973 was not onesided.

Rosewall, yes Grandpa Rosewall, leads 14:9 against peak Newcombe and 4:3 against Newk in big events. It's a shame for Newcombe that he trails that way against a 34 to 40 years old.

Please reflect on Rosewall a bit more. You still underrate him despite of the information you got and get!

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by pc1

I actually don't think Newcombe gets enough attention on these forums. While he wasn't for his career as great as some all time greats I believe at his best he was superior to many great players. He was one of the greatest pressure players I've ever seen and he could play on all surfaces. If he was in shape and at his peak he could defeat any player in history.

pc1, I contradict: Newcombe was never an undisputed No.1 even though he was at his peak. He was not able to dominate very old Rosewall. I rate Roche as stronger than him. Newcombe is not underrated here and generally.

Rosewall and Roche are still underrated.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kiki, You are a world class cynic: Rosewall fared not well enough at clay court majors? He did not enter them!!! He only played the 1977 US Open when he was almost 43.

1971 was onesided because Rosewall had a fantastic QF match against Richey in five long sets. 1973 was not onesided.

Rosewall, yes Grandpa Rosewall, leads 14:9 against peak Newcombe and 4:3 against Newk in big events. It's a shame for Newcombe that he trails that way against a 34 to 40 years old.

Please reflect on Rosewall a bit more. You still underrate him despite of the information you got and get!

I never underated Rosewall, specially after having seen him play.I have said many times that, if I could choice a teacher for my tennis, it would always be Rosewall.

But you should be fair to Newcombe.The guy was a great champion and, along Borg and Connors, the true dominant figure of the 70´s.He beat Rosewall, very deservedly when he had to beat him, specially in their 1970 Wimbledon final.I think you really dislike Newcombe.I don´t know why.

In fact, the only australian player I dislike ( as a player, not as a person) is Hewitt...and that is becasue his game is the aberration for an ausie.