What can be done to reduce the cheating?

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by Alohajrtennis

I think this is a section to section thing, and will probably change over time as people in the section change. Like the responses int this forum, I think the sections response might range from genuine concern and action to shut up you whiny parent.

Couldn't disagree more.

[Alohajrtennis]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Couldn't disagree more.

About what ? You think every person/section will react the same ?

[chalkflewup]

Originally Posted by tennisconsultcom

There is a very interesting article "Cheating in tennis" is written by Allen Fox http://wp.me/p2iyrR-5I

Don't need a PhD to figure this out. The best way to handle the cheating situation.

1. Hit less unforced errors.
2. Hit more winners.
3. Tell Mom and Dad to stop whining about cheating and swear to them to chill or you'll never hit another tennis ball again. That's 1/2 the battle.

[TCF]

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[tennisconsultcom]

Originally Posted by andfor

I see you wrote the article which I like. I also see where you say "Cheating in tennis, especially in junior tennis is a huge problem". Which I disagree with. You are then contradicted by Dr. Fox later in the article when he says "Of course being cheated out of a point is a problem (albeit, generally a small one)". He's correct. How do you explain his correctl contradiction of your position and why did you not address that?

It depends on a situation. For instance, if your kid played v two cheaters during the same tournament (including finals), you probably would consider cheating is a big problem. But generally, you are right, it's not a huge problem, it is just a problem

[tennisconsultcom]

Originally Posted by chalkflewup

Don't need a PhD to figure this out. The best way to handle the cheating situation.

1. Hit less unforced errors.
2. Hit more winners.
3. Tell Mom and Dad to stop whining about cheating and swear to them to chill or you'll never hit another tennis ball again. That's 1/2 the battle.

If a kid plays confirmed cheater who shouts "out" on all near base line balls on his side, your advice probably will not work. Hitting more winners means increasing more unforced errors. 1 and 2 contradict each other.

[chalkflewup]

Originally Posted by tennisconsultcom

If a kid plays confirmed cheater who shouts "out" on all near base line balls on his side, your advice probably will not work. Hitting more winners means increasing more unforced errors. 1 and 2 contradict each other.

Routinely hitting lines is luck. Great players don't aim for lines and they can beat you many ways.

Hitting more winners does not mean more errors. Hitting more winners than errors is learning how to play and the key to winning matches. Novak was 19+ at one point vs Harrison last night.

[Alohajrtennis]

Originally Posted by chalkflewup

Routinely hitting lines is luck. Great players don't aim for lines and they can beat you many ways.

Hitting more winners does not mean more errors. Hitting more winners than errors is learning how to play and the key to winning matches. Novak was 19+ at one point vs Harrison last night.

So there you go. Just tell your kid to play as good as Djoko and problem solved.

[chalkflewup]

Originally Posted by Alohajrtennis

So there you go. Just tell your kid to play as good as Djoko and problem solved.

Why wouldn't you tell your kid to emulate the best? The better junior players consistently have a positive winner to error ratio.

As I've said before, losers make excuses, winners make adjustments.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Alohajrtennis

So there you go. Just tell your kid to play as good as Djoko and problem solved.

I do not draw that conclusion from Chalk's post that you cited, and I hope any juniors who read this thread.......if there are any left by now.....do not draw that conclusion either

[TCF]

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[treeman10]

Gotta have a presence on the court, teach your player that. Known professional cheater in our area didn't cheat against my player, there was some kind of respect thing going on. Cheaters cheat those they see as weaker. Sure it helps to be the better player, that is the easy solution. But there is something about an attitude that says I don't put up with that. Sorta like the school bully thing, they prey on the weak. Don't have to be a jerk to get that message across. My kid is one of the nicest players you'll run across, but nobody cheats him, or if they try it is only once and done. Watch the top players and how they carry themselves, it's a swagger that says don't mess with me. Even sweet kids can pull that off when on the tennis stage.

[TCF]

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[tennis-player]

Originally Posted by andfor

^^^ There is a way to handle it. It's been written about here by those with experience over and over. Sounds like you go to a club so you're likely paying for your kids tennis lessons. If your kids coach has not taught your kids how to handle it your getting ripped off. Maybe no one said anything to you during the match maybe because your bias clouds how you see your kids line.

You need to re-read your post. You sound like a sore loser.

No, we do not play at any club, neighborhood or public courts, not sure how you made your *****umtions from my post.

Again, I was only telling our first run in with cheating in junior tennis, and this particular dishonest player was confirmed by a few other kids/parents, so I know we were not imagining. Everyone can make a mistake making their own line calls, I play tennis myself and perfectly understand that. But not when a ball lands a foot inside the line.

Since we taught our kids how to handle it, thankyouforyourconcern.

[tennis-player]

Originally Posted by treeman10

Gotta have a presence on the court, teach your player that. Known professional cheater in our area didn't cheat against my player, there was some kind of respect thing going on. Cheaters cheat those they see as weaker. Sure it helps to be the better player, that is the easy solution. But there is something about an attitude that says I don't put up with that. Sorta like the school bully thing, they prey on the weak. Don't have to be a jerk to get that message across. My kid is one of the nicest players you'll run across, but nobody cheats him, or if they try it is only once and done. Watch the top players and how they carry themselves, it's a swagger that says don't mess with me. Even sweet kids can pull that off when on the tennis stage.

So true, very well said.

[andfor]

Originally Posted by tennis-player

No, we do not play at any club, neighborhood or public courts, not sure how you made your *****umtions from my post.

Again, I was only telling our first run in with cheating in junior tennis, and this particular dishonest player was confirmed by a few other kids/parents, so I know we were not imagining. Everyone can make a mistake making their own line calls, I play tennis myself and perfectly understand that. But not when a ball lands a foot inside the line.

Since we taught our kids how to handle it, thankyouforyourconcern.

You clearly made a number of *****umptions in your own post. Reread it. So I took the same liberty myself.

[treeman10]

Originally Posted by TCF

Fantastic post. Exactly what we have done. You do have to teach them to carry themselves properly. My girl shows up in mirror shades and has a quiet confidence. At the first tournament a boy around 13 said to his friend "that little kid has swag"....hard to get a compliment from a boy that age!

I could picture her when I read the description of what she wore to her first tournament. Love it! Sounds like skater/rock star/tennis girl with tude. One of my players with quiet confidence was also really stubborn which was actually a great trait on the court. Was not willing to give anything away! She'll handle herself and the craziness of tennis just fine. You seem to be enforcing "be true to yourself" in your approach to tennis and life versus joining the crazy marching band all trying to do the same thing and keep up with each other. Enjoy the path you are on and you just may pass them on the road.

[coaching32yrs]

Originally Posted by treeman10

Gotta have a presence on the court, teach your player that. Known professional cheater in our area didn't cheat against my player, there was some kind of respect thing going on. Cheaters cheat those they see as weaker. Sure it helps to be the better player, that is the easy solution. But there is something about an attitude that says I don't put up with that. Sorta like the school bully thing, they prey on the weak. Don't have to be a jerk to get that message across. My kid is one of the nicest players you'll run across, but nobody cheats him, or if they try it is only once and done. Watch the top players and how they carry themselves, it's a swagger that says don't mess with me. Even sweet kids can pull that off when on the tennis stage.

So true. Most cheaters and intimidators are bullies and they pick their targets. Unlike at school, the tennis bullies do it right in front of their parents, who 90% of the time turn a blind eye to it. That's why most tennis parents are not role models.

[TCF]

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[tennis5]

Originally Posted by tennis-player

No, we do not play at any club, neighborhood or public courts, not sure how you made your *****umtions from my post.

Again, I was only telling our first run in with cheating in junior tennis, and this particular dishonest player was confirmed by a few other kids/parents, so I know we were not imagining. Everyone can make a mistake making their own line calls, I play tennis myself and perfectly understand that. But not when a ball lands a foot inside the line.

Since we taught our kids how to handle it, thankyouforyourconcern.

With the kid who blatantly cheats -
anything on the line, near the line, or a foot in is considered out.

The only suggestion I can make here is to write it up to your sectional head, and especially write it up, when your player is not playing, but you are a witness to another's match.

This is where the sectional will get involved and make sure there is a ref on the court if enough written complaints come in.