Is there a certain type of player Djokovic is vulernable against?

[DRII]

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Chris Fowler on ESPN proposed a similar question. Who would rather play Djoker than Federer? The best that Patrick McEnroe could come up with is a guy like you are saying, and he pointed to to Roddick as one example.

Yea, but that was Roddick vs pre Nole 2.0; although Roddick has beaten Nole playing well.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by SStrikerR

You mean match right?

Also, Federer uses his slice very effectively against Djokovic.

Not as much as before. Federer hits his top spin alot vs Nole on hard courts now; for what reason i don't know

[wilkinru]

Yeah big serve, not allowing Djok to get into the 24 point rally stuff.

Playing less physical and really hurting his second serve. You must get into 'serious' points. That is he has pressure on him to win that point.

It takes someone with a great serve and the ability to hurt the second serve to take Djok deep.

Fed does this, Isner is all about this and Roddick could do this.

Nadal does it a whole different way - he mirrors Djok and attempts to outgrind him.

Murray has the serve, but lacks the hard return shot (but gets to everything also) and begins to play grind out tennis. I'd say a bit of a hybrid. The fact he was hitting the ball harder at the USO was the difference.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by wilkinru

Yeah big serve, not allowing Djok to get into the 24 point rally stuff.

Playing less physical and really hurting his second serve. You must get into 'serious' points. That is he has pressure on him to win that point.

It takes someone with a great serve and the ability to hurt the second serve to take Djok deep.

Fed does this, Isner is all about this and Roddick could do this.

Nadal does it a whole different way - he mirrors Djok and attempts to outgrind him.

Murray has the serve, but lacks the hard return shot (but gets to everything also) and begins to play grind out tennis. I'd say a bit of a hybrid. The fact he was hitting the ball harder at the USO was the difference.

Murray has a way harder return shot than anyone bar Djokovic these days.

[The Bawss]

Originally Posted by SStrikerR

You mean match right?

Also, Federer uses his slice very effectively against Djokovic.

Hmm, should we count a meaningless exho which happens to be in the winner's home country? Hmmm, let me deliberate.












No.

[Towser83]

Roddick in the past, also Tsonga in the past. I have a feeling someone who comes to net on a fast court is going to trouble him.

Another thing is, Djokovic has fallen flat against Federer and Murray in Cinci.. lost 2 finals to each of them, i think without winning a set. So on a fast court he is maybe more prone to losing

[Clarky21]

On these slow a** courts? No one.

And no way does Delpo bother a Cvac firing on all cylinders. He has a terrible h2h against him for a reason.

[paulorenzo]

chris fowler and patrick mcenroe were having a discussion about a similar topic. it can be applied to OP's question i think.
mcenroe brushed on guys like tsonga who sometimes have good serving days but also hit big and play aggressively can give djokovic trouble since djokovic's return becomes neutralized.

both murray and djokovic have exceptional returns, however murray handles big servers better than djokovic and can be seen during their matches agains federer at Wimby last year.

naturally this isn't much of a weakness, since djokovic is pretty versatile from the ground, but players who serve big and can back it up are given more of a chance.

http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/video/live.html
click the replay tab, followed by the 9:00 PM coverage on 1/15
the discussion starts at the 46:50 mark.

[TheF1Bob]

Besides the pushers from hell (Muzza,Rafa)....

No.

[paulorenzo]

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Chris Fowler on ESPN proposed a similar question. Who would rather play Djoker than Federer? The best that Patrick McEnroe could come up with is a guy like you are saying, and he pointed to to Roddick as one example.

ahh, beat me to the punch.

[kaku]

Anybody in the top four playing well can beat Novak unless he's absolutely in the zone. Then again, this applies for the other players as well.

[veroniquem]

The other top 3 obviously. He used to struggle against Roddick and Tsonga but that's when he was not as confident as he is now. I would say currently his biggest threat on hard is Murray, on clay Nadal, on grass Fed. Everybody else is not in the conversation. That's telling you how good he has become that only the very best on every surface can provide a serious challenge. There will be someone in the future though, there always is.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

The other top 3 obviously. He used to struggle against Roddick and Tsonga but that's when he was not as confident as he is now. I would say currently his biggest threat on hard is Murray, on clay Nadal, on grass Fed. Everybody else is not in the conversation. That's telling you how good he has become that only the very best on every surface can provide a serious challenge. There will be someone in the future though, there always is.

Ferrer? Cvac has owned Ferrer since he found Dr. Igor.

[kragster]

Originally Posted by Towser83

Roddick in the past, also Tsonga in the past. I have a feeling someone who comes to net on a fast court is going to trouble him.

Another thing is, Djokovic has fallen flat against Federer and Murray in Cinci.. lost 2 finals to each of them, i think without winning a set. So on a fast court he is maybe more prone to losing

I cant help but think the Roddick edge was somewhat psychological, after Nole said those things in the post match USO 08 (IMO roddick deserved it) , it almost felt like the fact that Nole , the popular crowd loved star was now 'unpopular' might have played on his mind. In future encounters, it felt like Novak wasn't trying hard enough against Roddick, almost like he felt guilty.

I do think Nole can be hurt by lots of variety and changes in pace. In general I think a guy like Murray is the worst match up for him because Murray is good enough to stay in a rally and then when he chooses to he can mix in droppers, slices, junkballs etc. Having watched Nole for over 6 years though, it has gotten easy to tell when Nole is going to lose - just see if he grunts when hitting the ball when he is in a good/neutral position. Usually when he loses, you will not hear him grunting when hitting the ball. One other thing though is that if a player is beating Nole too badly, he wakes up and goes into madman Nole mode which is amazing to watch when he puts some sick power into his shots.

[SStrikerR]

Originally Posted by ark_28

I think he means set and that was Wimbledon! Hopman was an exho so will not count in the record books officially!

Not official, true, but it still happened. It's the same as any of the official tournaments going on before the AO.

[sonicare]

Djokovic is the most complete baseliner in the history of our sport. ZERO weaknesses from the back.

He will go down as one of the greats irrelevant of his slam count.

Owning PEAK Nadal across 3 surfaces in 7 finals and owning Fed 4-1 and unleash the fury that he did in the greatest year of our sport AKA 2011 has cemented his position as an all time great.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by sonicare

Djokovic is the most complete baseliner in the history of our sport. ZERO weaknesses from the back.

He will go down as one of the greats irrelevant of his slam count.

Owning PEAK Nadal across 3 surfaces in 7 finals and owning Fed 4-1 and unleash the fury that he did in the greatest year of our sport AKA 2011 has cemented his position as an all time great.

What a load of fantard rubbish.

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by kragster

I cant help but think the Roddick edge was somewhat psychological, after Nole said those things in the post match USO 08 (IMO roddick deserved it) , it almost felt like the fact that Nole , the popular crowd loved star was now 'unpopular' might have played on his mind. In future encounters, it felt like Novak wasn't trying hard enough against Roddick, almost like he felt guilty.

I do think Nole can be hurt by lots of variety and changes in pace. In general I think a guy like Murray is the worst match up for him because Murray is good enough to stay in a rally and then when he chooses to he can mix in droppers, slices, junkballs etc. Having watched Nole for over 6 years though, it has gotten easy to tell when Nole is going to lose - just see if he grunts when hitting the ball when he is in a good/neutral position. Usually when he loses, you will not hear him grunting when hitting the ball. One other thing though is that if a player is beating Nole too badly, he wakes up and goes into madman Nole mode which is amazing to watch when he puts some sick power into his shots.

Actually good point about Roddick. I did feel myself that after that match he lost the edge vs Roddick. It always seemed like he got sloppy on his service games and got broken and that was it, and it did seem to stem from that incident.

Vs Murray I feel like when he started losing to him in 2008 after never having lost a match it was because he would actually push too hard and go for winners but make too many errors. It was like he didn't quite know whether to out grind him or be very attacking. I can usually tell when he's going to lose to Murray because he will just keep missing shots and hand Murray the upperhand.