Cristophe Rochus: Doping rampant, mentions Nadal and Soderling

[veroniquem]

Originally Posted by DRII

Nadal's name is not in the passage you quoted...

It's in the actual interview. You have to click the link at the bottom of the page but you also have to be able to read French!! I can and I checked the translation and it was legit.

[dafinch]

Originally Posted by SLD76

tee hee. I still remember last year's AO trophy ceremony where nadal was congratulating djoker and said something "i want to congratulate your team, they are doing an amazing job"

man, the look, just for a second or two, that djoker shot rafa was pure ice cold like "watch it, buddy" LOL


of course clarky will disagree, but it especially amused me. Like one doper saying to another "damn son, your docs blew mine out the water this year" lol.

Yup, kinda like Robert Shaw in "The Sting," having just found that Paul Newman had cheated him in a card game where he, Shaw, was ALSO cheating: "What was I supposed to do, accuse him of cheating better than me in front of the others?!?!"

[Gorecki]

Originally Posted by DRII

Why would Federer be exempt

Going by outrageous athletic/physical performances he would be at the top including the other Big 4.

so DIRRea... lets se if you can clear your point. if you have any...

Is Nadal a Doper and so is Fedin your wild guess? or is nadal not a Doper and fed is not one too!!!!???

[RF_fan]

Originally Posted by tennis_badger

fed is the least likely to dope/take any drugs.
nadal is suspicious, murray and joker i think is clean as well like fed.

unlike bike racing and baseball, tennis is not an endurance sport or one that requires hitting the ball really hard, so i dont think dope is that effective (very min knowledge about dope, so maybe i'm wrong)

one thing that lance did was to re-inject his fresh blood to keep him fresh, this is more possible scenario in tennis, however considering the amount of tournaments they played and in different countries i dont see this happening (storing and moving blood package undetected year after year? yeah i dont think so) and even if it happen it'll be on occassion where the person is really tired, wont be on every match, maybe before a GS final or something.

When you play 4-5 hours, and then have to play the next day endurance can certainly help. Drugs can make players run faster and extra strength will help hit the ball harder. Some drugs can even improve hand-eye coordination... think of Barry Bonds. And other drugs can help a player calm his/her nerves.

[PSNELKE]

Well then I got another question.
How is it possible, that Federer is hanging in at the TOP for over 10 years without any signs of physical fatigue even during incredibly tight five setters later in his career and early 30s.

Can we really atribute it to his talent and physical strength alone?

I'm really enjoying TMF's theories. He wouldn't give a dang about it if Nadal wasn't spanking him in the H2H.
The additional major titles he denied him seem to **** him/her off more than Federer. Butthurt much?!

[RF_fan]

Originally Posted by PSNELKE

Well then I got another question.
How is it possible, that Federer is hanging in at the TOP for over 10 years without any signs of physical fatigue even during incredibly tight five setters later in his career and early 30s.

Can we really atribute it to his talent and physical strength alone?

I'm really enjoying TMF's theories. He wouldn't give a dang about it if Nadal wasn't spanking him in the H2H.
The additional major titles he denied him seem to **** him/her off more than Federer. Butthurt much?!

Do you remember Olympic SF that Fed played vs. Delpo? I think he looked really tired the next day. And many of those 5 setters he lost in the 5th set.

[Steve0904]

Originally Posted by RF_fan

Do you remember Olympic SF that Fed played vs. Delpo? I think he looked really tired the next day. And many of those 5 setters he lost in the 5th set.

That is true. Federer never looks tired to the untrained eye, but he has definitely gotten tired before. He also had back problems at Wimbledon last year after a 5 setter just as an example.

[PSNELKE]

Originally Posted by Steve0904

That is true. Federer never looks tired to the untrained eye, but he has definitely gotten tired before. He also had back problems at Wimbledon last year after a 5 setter just as an example.

Just quoting nikdom.

Do you have a proove that he really had back problems? Isn't it possible that they were faked?

[dafinch]

Originally Posted by PSNELKE

Just quoting nikdom.

Do you have a proove that he really had back problems? Isn't it possible that they were faked?

Ahhhhhhh, and Fed has a long history of dubious behavior to make it likely that he would engaged in such things, right? Oh, wait...

Now, with Butt Picker, it's a WHOLE 'nother ball game...

[Relinquis]

should doping be allowed in tennis?

I think it shouldn't.

what do you guys think?

[TMF]

Fed's style is effective/efficient which he only needed to be on 3rd gear. So what if he's been consistently at the top for all these years. He doesn't allow his body to breakdown the way Rafa must sacrifice to be at the top. Rafa required to be on 5th gear all the time, of course the wear and tear catches up rapidly. Also Nadal was already abusing his body at the very young age.

[Steve0904]

Originally Posted by PSNELKE

Just quoting nikdom.

Do you have a proove that he really had back problems? Isn't it possible that they were faked?

How does one respond to idiotic statements like these? Just wondering.

[PSNELKE]

Originally Posted by Steve0904

How does one respond to idiotic statements like these? Just wondering.

Just going by **** logic. That's pretty much the only "argument" they got regarding a silent ban.

Originally Posted by dafinch

Ahhhhhhh, and Fed has a long history of dubious behavior to make it likely that he would engaged in such things, right? Oh, wait...

Now, with Butt Picker, it's a WHOLE 'nother ball game...

So it is really that unlikely that a guy with such a devastating, knee wrecking game is really injured?
Wild guesses and accusations caused by the anger of butthurt fanboys plead one guilty?

[PCXL-Fan]

Originally Posted by mmk

Well, as those who have kids with ADHD can attest, there are drugs which can make you more calm and focused, e.g., adderall. ADD/ADHD drugs aren't necessarily illegal, but they are controlled substances. I don't know what the ITF rules are on these drugs, but in other sports they are legal if there is a prescription. However, I doubt that Fed is taking any such drug.

Over time dependency occurs on these drugs. Like with coffee and people dependent on caffeine GRADUALLY over a long period of time their brains normal state develops an impaired ability to concentrate and focus. Many neurologists say that amphetamine derivatives* like adderall, pervitin, and amphedroxyn should not be taken for longer than a year.

Federer does not show absent mindedness nor various memory impairments that gradually develop from heavy caffeine dependency or amp-derivate* use.

[hisrob777]

Originally Posted by Relinquis

should doping be allowed in tennis?

I think it shouldn't.

what do you guys think?

May as well be legalized. I think a lot players already do it. Especially the ones with deep pockets.

[Sid_Vicious]

Originally Posted by mmk

Well, as those who have kids with ADHD can attest, there are drugs which can make you more calm and focused, e.g., adderall. ADD/ADHD drugs aren't necessarily illegal, but they are controlled substances. I don't know what the ITF rules are on these drugs, but in other sports they are legal if there is a prescription. However, I doubt that Fed is taking any such drug.

Those drugs are stimulants and are definitely on the list of banned substances for tennis players.

[PCXL-Fan]

Originally Posted by DeShaun

I played tennis on Adderal one time- and one time only...I never will do that again. I feared my heart was going to explode and the added mental calmness actually seemed to be hindering me after a certain point when I sensed that, as the match was becoming tight yet my intensity level remained...I guess "flat" would be the best word, I knew then that I should rather be psyching myself up than riding "this strong sense of being unperturbed by everything." It was almost like I could not summon those feelings of being vested in the outcome or care enough to make changes/improvements in my performance precisely because I was on the Adderal.

Adderall effects the dopamine levels in the brain, the neurotransmitter that regulate the desire, motivation and reward. This is what you experienced. Long term heavy adderall users who take it day in and day out(heavy meaning high range of acceptable FDA approved levels of prescription for ones bodyweight/sex/age) regularly develop mild to sever impairments in these areas.

If ollinger comes in here saying the meds effect everyone different and dont work the same for ppl without adhd ignore the yadda yadda yadda by ollinger and the career field he chose. Like 95% or more of the catholic church leadership there will be no self conviction of his colleges nor the institute he is part of.

[West Coast Ace]

Originally Posted by dafinch

Instead of talking out of your ***, why don't you reel off the long list of players besides Butt Picker who have been fined multiple times for illegal coaching, who admitted in public that they cheated during the final of the one and only US Open that they won, and who have been accused of gamesmanship by multiple players. When you're a lying, cheating toad, you don't automatically get the benefit of the doubt. Furthermore, there are people who concede that he may actually be injured, they just have doubts about the severity of the injury and the length of time it is taking to "heal."

Pretty much sums it up. I'm not religious but 'you reap what you sow' does ring true quite often.

I think @PSNELKE is just goofing off - or helping out the hapless Nadal backers. He/she is usually a fairly decent poster.

[RF_fan]

Originally Posted by PSNELKE

Just going by **** logic. That's pretty much the only "argument" they got regarding a silent ban.



So it is really that unlikely that a guy with such a devastating, knee wrecking game is really injured?
Wild guesses and accusations caused by the anger of butthurt fanboys plead one guilty?

It's not that his injury is unlikely... It's the fact that he is injured right after his R2 loss at Wimbledon. I don't remember seeing Rafa injured during his last match.. and if he was you can be sure he'd take a MTO. So I'm not sure when did he actually get injured.

[mmk]

Originally Posted by RF_fan

When you play 4-5 hours, and then have to play the next day endurance can certainly help. Drugs can make players run faster and extra strength will help hit the ball harder. Some drugs can even improve hand-eye coordination... think of Barry Bonds. And other drugs can help a player calm his/her nerves.

Bonds had incredible hand-eye coordination long before he took any PEDs. I've never heard anyone state that PEDs enhance hand-eye coordination. If Bonds had never taken a PED his career would have ended sooner, but he would have been in the HOF, as he was already one of the greatest players ever. Ask any seamhead. They may hate him, as he was a total dick, but no one ever questioned his natural abilities.