Juan Martin Del Potro

[5263]

Originally Posted by arche3

Fed and nadal can hit every bit as hard as delpo. Next.

Very likely if not harder, but like Sampras serving 121, Nadal and Fed realize the
sweetspot on speed vs precision on their shots. Delpo is required to take more
chances due to agility, even though he moves amazing for his height. But it is
just for his height that he moves well.

[sureshs]

That would be wrong.

http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/archives/8087

"Del Potro is changing the face of the modern game with his explosive flat forehand, the biggest in the sport today. It is a prodigious weapon, released with blinding speed."

[sureshs]

Fedal can do 75, DP can do 100

[5263]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Fedal can do 75, DP can do 100

what is that based on?
Fed has hit well into the 100s

[5263]

Originally Posted by sureshs

That would be wrong.

http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/archives/8087

"Del Potro is changing the face of the modern game with his explosive flat forehand, the biggest in the sport today. It is a prodigious weapon, released with blinding speed."

And who had the #1 and #2 Fhs??

Just because they don't go big as often, has little to do with what they can do.
They rank higher in every way because they make better decisions on things
just like this.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by 5263

what is that based on?
Fed has hit well into the 100s

Yes, but this is not based on just couple of occurences. Fed'a average forehand speed is well documented. I cannot find reliable numbers for DP yet.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by 5263

And who had the #1 and #2 Fhs??

Just because they don't go big as often, has little to do with what they can do.
They rank higher in every way because they make better decisions on things
just like this.

Again, please don't confuse the issue. We are not talking about better or worse in winning overall, etc. We are talking (now) specifically about speed. Please do not pretend not to understand just for the sake of arguing. It is getting tiring.

[5263]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Again, please don't confuse the issue. We are not talking about better or worse in winning overall, etc. We are talking (now) specifically about speed. Please do not pretend not to understand just for the sake of arguing. It is getting tiring.

Actually no, we are talking about overall improved Fh quality.
Yes, harder was mentioned, but the heart of the OP was-
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"It's definitely not the technique you want in the modern game"

So this got me thinking, whilst JMDP's forehand may look a little different how
does he fare in the 4 key positions; Preparation, Drive, Impact, Extension/Finish.
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You have the issues way confused.
Clearly this was more than about a max mph #.
Nice try

[julian]

Originally Posted by arche3

Fed and nadal can hit every bit as hard as delpo. Next.

Please read the last sentence of post #75

[arche3]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Again, please don't confuse the issue. We are not talking about better or worse in winning overall, etc. We are talking (now) specifically about speed. Please do not pretend not to understand just for the sake of arguing. It is getting tiring.

Just because delpo hits harder more often doesn't mean fedal can't do the same. As mentioned its a choice players make. In fact fedal have more consistent fhs because they don't go as big as often.

If your talking avg speed delpo prob is higher. But does not mean better. In think j janko actually hits harder than delpo in terms of max mph. Looks like it at least,

[arche3]

Originally Posted by julian

Please read the last sentence of post #75

I agree. Delpo can do that.

Originally Posted by sureshs

Again, please don't confuse the issue. We are not talking about better or worse in winning overall, etc. We are talking (now) specifically about speed. Please do not pretend not to understand just for the sake of arguing. It is getting tiring.

yes, we are talking theoritically what is better? Which is better 100 mile and hour, or a 100 mile an hour forehand with more spin?

[arche3]

Originally Posted by chico9166

yes, we are talking theoritically what is better? Which is better 100 mile and hour, or a 100 mile an hour forehand with more spin?

Yeah suresh is confused, 100mph with 2000rpm better than 100mph with 1500 rpm.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by arche3

Yeah suresh is confused, 100mph with 2000rpm better than 100mph with 1500 rpm.

You really don't understand, or just acting that way to irritate? We are discussing if Fedal can ever hit the speeds of DP as often as he does, not if the same speed with more spin is better. There is no better when comparing more speed and less spin and less speed with more spin. We really do not want all pro players to play the same way with the same kind of stroke. The women's game has gone that way, at least the men's game is more interesting as of now. If everyone plays the same way, it is very bad for the game.

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by arche3

Yeah suresh is confused, 100mph with 2000rpm better than 100mph with 1500 rpm.

that is not necessarily true... 100mph with 5000 rpm will produce a short ball that lands a foot over the service line.

when you need penetration, you want point A to point B quickly... and point B is where it penetrates the other player.

not to mention, it takes more energy to produce 100/2000 than 100/1500.

[5263]

Originally Posted by luvforty

that is not necessarily true... 100mph with 5000 rpm will produce a short ball that lands a foot over the service line.

when you need penetration, you want point A to point B quickly... and point B is where it penetrates the other player.

not to mention, it takes more energy to produce 100/2000 than 100/1500.

100 mph on any reasonable line of shot is going to help you, no matter where
it touches the court, as long as it is in.

[arche3]

Originally Posted by luvforty

that is not necessarily true... 100mph with 5000 rpm will produce a short ball that lands a foot over the service line.

when you need penetration, you want point A to point B quickly... and point B is where it penetrates the other player.

not to mention, it takes more energy to produce 100/2000 than 100/1500.

Well there is also the variable of where the shot was hit. And where. The angle. The height will determine depth as well., Basically more spin is better as it allows more options most of the time as it is a safer shot.

[5263]

Originally Posted by arche3

Well there is also the variable of where the shot was hit. And where. The angle. The height will determine depth as well., Basically more spin is better as it allows more options most of the time as it is a safer shot.

also at 100, the spins effect is far less than slower speeds.

[arche3]

Originally Posted by sureshs

You really don't understand, or just acting that way to irritate? We are discussing if Fedal can ever hit the speeds of DP as often as he does, not if the same speed with more spin is better. There is no better when comparing more speed and less spin and less speed with more spin. We really do not want all pro players to play the same way with the same kind of stroke. The women's game has gone that way, at least the men's game is more interesting as of now. If everyone plays the same way, it is very bad for the game.

I understand. Your confusing the issue. Perhaps we need some high speed video. Oh wait....

I like jersey j better anyways than delpo. And I think he hits even harder more often.

[luvforty]

players instinctively know what shot shape make them the most money... for the tall guys, it's flat balls.... it only makes sense...

they can afford to hit flat from higher contact
and they know a flat ball has a better chance to penetrate..

runners run, hitters hit.... short guys use spin, trying to turn it to a foot speed competition.... big guys want to turn it to a hitting competition.