Tomic worst athlete ever?

[RAFA2005RG]

^ that poster said Federer was his 3rd favorite player

[Relinquis]

tomic has been moving better lately... check out this shot from yesterday's match against Brands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uy1bYbqqIw

he does accelerate poorly though. little explosiveness.

[marc45]

Originally Posted by BeHappy

He's 6'5"

Ivanisevic, Monfils and Tsonga = lightning fast at 6'5"

Greg Rusedski, Cilic= move extremely well at 6'5"

EVen Ljubicic moves like greaed lightning compared to Tomic.

Maybe SOderling is as slow but he serves 145mph.

Honestly, hand on heart, I have never seen a player with athleticism this bad. Still, with the courts this slow rendering a big serve useless and speed optional, maybe I'll have to get used to this.

good lord, what planet are you on?

monfils and tsonga are not 6'5"...ivanisevic i believe was 6'4"

rusedski and cilic move extremely well...what does extreme mean to you?...the top four move extremely well to me...perhaps rusedski and cilic move extremely well for big guys

soderling serves 145 mph?...has he reached that once in his career?...he certainly hasn't done that consistently...hell, no one has

and as to the original question..in any sport?..just tennis?

george carlin used to say somewhere out there is the world's worst doctor...i guess so...i have no way of knowing if tomic's the worst athlete ever but his ranking suggests that's nowhere near true...and athleticism is not just speed or jumping ability

[BeHappy]

Originally Posted by marc45

rusedski and cilic move extremely well...what does extreme mean to you?...the top four move extremely well to me...perhaps rusedski and cilic move extremely well for big guys

They're as fast as Federer, though not the other top 3.

Ivanisevic was 6'5", that measurement on the ATP website is definitely wrong. I've seen Monfils listed at 6'5" but they're listing him as 6'4" now. They're both European and a few years ago the ATP changed it's policy of rounding players height up when converting European players height from cm to inches. It was in the news when Federer's height changed from 6'2" to 6'1" a few years ago.
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soderling serves 145 mph?...has he reached that once in his career?...he certainly hasn't done that consistently...hell, no one has

Soderling reached 145mph once per match usually.

Krajiceck, Monfils, Cilic, Rusedski, Ivanisevic and Yannick Noah all are all between 6'4" and range between fast and lightning fast.

Tomic doesn't have a fast twitch muscle fibre in his body. And he has no serve. He stands in the middle of the baseline and hits great groundstrokes and that's it.

Even Isner moves significantly faster than Tomic and he's 6'9".

[RAFA2005RG]

While Tomic is serving like this, movement isn't too important (but he is moving very well to drop shots and laterally too). He served 26 aces yesterday, and hasn't been broken since the QF of Sydney.

[BeHappy]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

While Tomic is serving like this, movement isn't too important (but he is moving very well to drop shots and laterally too). He served 26 aces yesterday, and hasn't been broken since the QF of Sydney.

When Federer rains winners against Tomic tomorrow just like he did last year you will all see I'm right. Federer just had to hit a ball into the corner and it was an automatic winner, Tomic can't move.

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

BeHAppy, have you even looked at this, or are you trolling?

http://youtu.be/g0NSjem4exY?t=1m39s

surely nobody could be as stupid as you appear to be?

[DRII]

He's a Murray with half the foot speed and 60% the backhand...

[veroniquem]

Originally Posted by BeHappy

He's slow and weak. He moves like Safin after his knee injury. He serves like Martina Hingis.

Players like Scheng Shalken and Miroslav Mecir have had weak serves like Tomic. Players like Soderling and Almagro have moved as bad as him, but I have never ever seen both attributes in one player. It is shocking.

Tomic has a weak serve? Surely, you can't mean 1st serve? He served 26 aces in his match yesterday and didn't get broken once (only had 1 BP against him the whole match).

[dgoran]

I don't think that its a secret that Bernie's movement is not good. Cahill said the same thing last night he is just not athletic, but don't confuse that with good or in his case excellent anticipation. He masks his lack of athletic ability with guess work and he usually guesses right. But let's not kid ourself here he is nowhere near where today's game is with Nole on top following by Yes still old man fed and rafa. They are just amazing and these days you have to move that good to win gs.

[dgoran]

Watching Tomic is cool since its different and feels like watching old school tennis with anticipation and craft but to paraphrase Cahill he still has long way to go since today's tops players like Djokovic do not guess they are that good and fast that they can wait to see where the ball is going basically split step and take off no guessing.

[uncooling]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

While Tomic is serving like this, movement isn't too important (but he is moving very well to drop shots and laterally too). He served 26 aces yesterday, and hasn't been broken since the QF of Sydney.

You're talking as if he's played 30 matches since QF of Sydney!

Anyway, who was the highest ranked player he beat since QF of Sydney?
He's only had to beat easy low-ranked noobies like 4 matches in total until today, so what's so important about having not broken since then?

If he struggles with someone ranked outside of Top 100 at 2nd round of GS, it says all about him!

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Timbo's hopeless slice

BeHAppy, have you even looked at this, or are you trolling?

http://youtu.be/g0NSjem4exY?t=1m39s

surely nobody could be as stupid as you appear to be?

...His movement is not that impressive. Worst athlete ever? Definitely, absolutely not. But unlike Murray and Djokovic, he doesn't have the footspeed to make up for it. He doesn't have the explosiveness of Nadal to make up for it. He doesn't have the efficiency of Federer to make up for it. He doesn't have the technical prowess of Ferrer or Kohlschreiber to make up for it. That said, Tsonga, Berdych, Delpo, Gasquet, these aren't exactly great movers. They don't need to be since they can demolish the ball, and in the case of Gasquet, can create absurd angles. Let's give Tomic to 22, no questions/comments made and then we'll see what his potential really is. Too many players these days being lauded as replacements of their great countrymen. Until proven, I prefer to say that results speak louder than words.

[RAFA2005RG]

Well its at least 73 straight holds (I heard that late in the Brands match), which is impressive no matter who you play. And since the QF of Sydney he beat Nieminen (ranked 44), Mayer (ranked 28 ), Matosevic (ranked 49) and now in AO he beat Brands (ranked 120 but clearly playing well), and the other Mayer (ranked 72).

[marc45]

Originally Posted by BeHappy

They're as fast as Federer, though not the other top 3.

Ivanisevic was 6'5", that measurement on the ATP website is definitely wrong. I've seen Monfils listed at 6'5" but they're listing him as 6'4" now. They're both European and a few years ago the ATP changed it's policy of rounding players height up when converting European players height from cm to inches. It was in the news when Federer's height changed from 6'2" to 6'1" a few years ago.
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Soderling reached 145mph once per match usually.

Krajiceck, Monfils, Cilic, Rusedski, Ivanisevic and Yannick Noah all are all between 6'4" and range between fast and lightning fast.

Tomic doesn't have a fast twitch muscle fibre in his body. And he has no serve. He stands in the middle of the baseline and hits great groundstrokes and that's it.

Even Isner moves significantly faster than Tomic and he's 6'9".

"they're as fast as federer"....yep, have a good night (do tell cilic and rusedski they're as fast as federer if you get that chance...rusedski is enough of an a-hole that he might play along...cilic i'm guessing would just give you a blank stare)

[BeHappy]

Originally Posted by marc45

"they're as fast as federer"....yep, have a good night (do tell cilic and rusedski they're as fast as federer if you get that chance...rusedski is enough of an a-hole that he might play along...cilic i'm guessing would just give you a blank stare)

Well they are, Federer is 31 years old with a bad back and a bad ankle and is not as fast as he once was. Rusedski in his prime was as fast as Federer is right now (if not as close to Federer's prime) and Cilic is just as fast as Federer, just ask John McEnroe.

[BeHappy]

Originally Posted by Timbo's hopeless slice

BeHAppy, have you even looked at this, or are you trolling?

http://youtu.be/g0NSjem4exY?t=1m39s

surely nobody could be as stupid as you appear to be?

Great anticipation, great hand skills, zero speed. You'll see when Federer hits 35 winners by him and Tomic scrapes 5-6 games that I'm right.

[uncooling]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Well its at least 73 straight holds (I heard that late in the Brands match), which is impressive no matter who you play. And since the QF of Sydney he beat Nieminen (ranked 44), Mayer (ranked 28 ), Matosevic (ranked 49) and now in AO he beat Brands (ranked 120 but clearly playing well), and the other Mayer (ranked 72).

lol, that's really funny.. Nieminen is ranked 70 and is 31 years old.

Mayer is also an old guy who isn't obviously a top player.

Matosevic is...?? Bands...??

and are you saying not getting broken by these guys is something worth talking about here when he's facing the Great Federer??

70 straight holds isn't impressive when he was playing just easy low-ranked players, so it should definitely not be discussed when we're arguing whether he'll beat federer or not. Just pointless facts..

[RAFA2005RG]

Originally Posted by uncooling

lol, that's really funny.. Nieminen is ranked 70 and is 31 years old.

Mayer is also an old guy who isn't obviously a top player.

Matosevic is...?? Bands...??

and are you saying not getting broken by these guys is something worth talking about here when he's facing the Great Federer??

70 straight holds isn't impressive when he was playing just easy low-ranked players, so it should definitely not be discussed when we're arguing whether he'll beat federer or not. Just pointless facts..

Too late, its already been discussed. You lost. And the fact is, Tomic has to do almost everything right to beat Federer. Serve poorly and he has almost no chance. And guess what? Tomic is serving extremely well, 26 aces included. So that is one box ticked. Everything is relevant on the checklist.