Armstrong drops fight against doping charges

[JoelDali]

So 95% of of all the top cyclists doped but its only wrong because Lance won.

Trololol.

[Bartelby]

Lance made a fortune out of cheating - Tour de Wall Street is next?

[realplayer]

Originally Posted by Bartelby

Lance made a fortune out of cheating - Tour de Wall Street is next?

Well, they all cheated and as one of the riders of Rabobank said: Doping was a way of life, or you cheated or you better find another job. Without dope you just won't win no matter how much talent you have.
The fact that almost everyone doped is proof under how much pressure the riders were. Easy to judge them without having been in the situation.

[volleygirl]

Originally Posted by Leelord337

To me Lance will always be the greatest (because we ALL know that all of the top riders were doping!!!). Its too bad it has to be in the same light as how Pete Rose was the greatest all time in regard to batting avg..Or even Barry Bonds w/the all time home run #'s.

HAHA Best ever? Even though he even admitted he had to cheat to even win one? What a joke. For you to even think Pete Rose has the highest batting avg ever shows you dont know that much about baseball.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by adventure

I First of all, the reason lance became ill was because he was abusing PED's. FACT. Do you understand this point? .

Originally Posted by maleyoyo

I’m curious about what you said about PED caused Lance’s cancer and Serena’s episode with PED. Can you cite your sources on that?

I wish Adventure would address this. I've never read anything that supports this view. There are people who say that PED use and testicular cancer could be linked, but I've never read anything as clear cut as Adventure's statement.

http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2013/01/doping-cancer

PS: I'm writing this from the grave as I killed myself yesterday because Adventure is such a meanie bo beanie.

[adventure]

This thread should be admitted as a case study in any intro psych, cognitive psych, or social psych as a prime example of cognitive dissonance. There is already a small mountain of evidence refuting every point raised by his defenders/worshipers, and yet these same 'defenses' are propped up time and time again. Evidence is clearly not a currency with any value to his worshipers, to the lancetards.

And I know why. Lance is the great white hope. In a sports landscape largely devoid of superstar white athletes, lance stands out as a beacon on a hill. Ever heard of brian scalabrine? No, you have not. Believe it or not, scalabrine is worshiped as the GOAT (greatest of all time) on basketball forums. His handle is 'white mamba,' aka the white version of Kobe Bryant.

No, sports fans aren't that dumb. They all know michael jordan is the gold standard, while brian scalabrine was a journeyman scrub who barely averaged 3 pts a game throughout his career.

But he's 'white.' The 'white mamba.' A legend. That's how rare elite white athletes are these days. This is lance's appeal. He's the great white hope. He's not french, either. Nor does he a have french sounding name. He's a texan. A good ol' american white boy.

This is what his defenders latch onto. And this is why they will never let go.

But you can let go. Actually lance is a fraud, and a phantom. But he's 'white.' And an 'American.' Since canada, mexico, and all of latin america don't count as america.

Lance, the great white hope. The one balled wonder. The greatest of all time. White mamba, indeed.

[r2473]

So...........where is that evidence you promised linking PED's to testicular cancer.

And specifically, showing how PED's caused the cancer in Armstrong?

You said there is a mountain of evidence out there. I'd settle for a molehill. Or even one piece of good rumor. Basically anything at this point would be better than another diatribe from you.

(what does that great white hope rant even mean in the context of this thread? Nobody is saying Armstrong didn't use PED's and pretty much everyone has know he has for years. And by the way, aren't all cyclists white? I'm looking for the great black or asian hope in cycling myself. You're a f'in moron).

[FastFreddy]

Originally Posted by r2473

So...........where is that evidence you promised linking PED's to testicular cancer.

And specifically, showing how PED's caused the cancer in Armstrong?

You said there is a mountain of evidence out there. I'd settle for a molehill. Or even one piece of good rumor. Basically anything at this point would be better than another diatribe from you.

(what does that great white hope rant even mean in the context of this thread? Nobody is saying Armstrong didn't use PED's and pretty much everyone has know he has for years. And by the way, aren't all cyclists white? I'm looking for the great black or asian hope in cycling myself. You're a f'in moron).

I talked to my friend who is a doctor and is on roids 6'3 275 ripped. He told me that the roids do not give u the cancer but gives u the cancer at a younger age. I love the fact that Lance lied to the big O telling her that he stopped dpoing in 2005. The Docs looked at his blood in the 2009 race and he used his own blood twice what a dope!!

[maggmaster]

There have been no long term studies done on common anabolics that prove any link to cancer. Really there have been no long term studies done at all. The closest is an AIDS research study that deals with long term use of Anavar to prevent muscle wasting and it had no deleterious effects beyond elevated liver enzyme levels. I have no interest in Lance Armstrong as the "Great White Hope" or whatever it is you are rambling about. I despise pseudo science, I particularly despise when doctors say things like the post above. Most doctors have one maybe two semesters of pharmacology with no focus on hormones or steroids. The statement that your doctor friend made is unsupportable tripe. I am not an apologist for steroids, I do not think they are the next great thing. I do know that they have been abused a lot by a lot of different groups and the results can be pretty terrifying if you are not careful. That being said there are safe ways to use steroids, just like any drug that has a medicinal value. Magic Johnson would not be alive today without Anavar and yet the demonization of steroids in general is why Anavar is not available to more HIV positive people for far less money. It is out of patent, someone can make a generic, but no one wants the bother of adding another scheduled drug to their catalog.

[Bartelby]

It wouldn't matter a jot if everyone else doped, as the fact is that Armstrong doped and he was at the head of a team that benefited the most from doping and he personally made several hundred million dollars.

Armstrong was the leader of the most outrageous fraud in sporting history and lives in splendid luxury as a result of his cheating.

[maggmaster]

I agree with you there. If rules are in place they should be followed, others breaking the rules is no excuse for breaking them yourself. My point is more general than that, sorry if it got confused in my writing. My point is that we should look at our rules.

[Bartelby]

Whatever caused Armstrong is unknown, but the fact is that there is a rather strong prejudice to associate an illness with some moral culpability.

The fact is unfortunately that you can live a very long and happy life and still lie, cheat and steal.

[Thud and blunder]

I no longer believe a word Lance Armstrong says...in fact, I'm beginning to doubt he ever landed on the moon at all.

[Dedans Penthouse]

Originally Posted by adventure

to his worshipers, to the lancetards.


And I know why.


Lance is the great white hope. In a sports landscape largely devoid of superstar white athletes, lance stands out as a beacon on a hill. [/b]

This is lance's appeal. He's the great white hope. He's not french, either. Nor does he a have french sounding name. He's a texan. A good ol' american white boy.


But you can let go. Actually lance is a fraud, and a phantom. But he's 'white.' And an 'American.' Since canada, mexico, and all of latin america don't count as america.

Lance, the great white hope.

^^^ LMFAO. You are one sad, hateful psycopath, and a racist trolling one at that, pal. But ok, I'll play:

As far as I'm concerned, Lance Armstrong is a cheating, vengeful piece of garbage. But as for the (imho) misguided ones here defending him, where the hell do you get off making racist assumptions about their motives you racist piece of shlt?

Btw, are you an American "white boy" you racist?

If not, that's cool. What are you then, mr. racist?

Originally Posted by Adventure

The one balled wonder. The greatest of all time. White mamba, indeed.

Stay classy, racist.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by Dedans Penthouse

^^^ LMFAO. You are one sad, hateful psycopath, and a racist trolling one at that, pal. But ok, I'll play:

As far as I'm concerned, Lance Armstrong is a cheating, vengeful piece of garbage. But as for the (imho) misguided ones here defending him, where the hell do you get off making racist assumptions about their motives you racist piece of shlt?

Btw, are you an American "white boy" you racist?

If not, that's cool. What are you then, mr. racist?

Stay classy, racist.

There's no point in wasting time with these people. I think it's best to just put him on your ignore list.

[Bartelby]

Orwell pointed out the connection between sport and politics, more specifically nationalism, a long time ago.

[vive le beau jeu !]

A Sydney library has gained international attention after re-categorising all books on disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong as fiction.

from: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...ong-to-fiction

[Bartelby]

Wiggins will probably be riding for Froome in this year's Tour de France. Now there's a real champion, Lance.

[Bobby Jr]

And in more Armstrong-related news... The International Cycling Union now confirms what anyone with a brain already knew - that they are inept, completely incapable of managing their own sport and have been for over 14 years and probably corrupt also.

Armstrong tested positive not once but four times in 1999 and they let it slide.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22193315

[hollywood9826]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

And in more Armstrong-related news... The International Cycling Union now confirms what anyone with a brain already knew - that they are inept, completely incapable of managing their own sport and have been for over 14 years and probably corrupt also.

Armstrong tested positive not once but four times in 1999 and they let it slide.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22193315

Of course they let it slide.

Its called profit. What Lance was doing actually had people caring about cycling in America for like 3 weeks a year instead of 2. Nike made money off of him, the cancer poeple made money off of him. Oakley etc...

Heck the only people that were not making money off of him was the USPS. But they cant make money off anyone or anything for various reasons.

Everyone with a brain knew he was cheating, just like they knew Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, and all those baseball guys were cheating. People turn a blind eye to the NFL and NBA but they cheat as well.. Baseball ignored the situation to make tons of money. The players didnt bring it up or simply said no comment.

My issue with Lance is how he personally attacked any person who wrote or said anything negative about him in that regard. And for that deserves evrything he gets and more.