Pacific Classic 1.25 x MSV Co-Focus 1.18

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

What Klip are you using? The normal Klip Legend right? I'm interested in your review as well, and mainly, I want to hear the differences between Klip Legend and Pacific Classic.

[canny]

Originally Posted by Smasher08

Awesome. I've read some posts from folks who swear by silicone spray, so I definitely want to read your review!

Im one of those who swear by it. Read some reviews on here about it so said why not? Got me a can and It seriously works. TWU even did a test that showed marginal spin increases. But on the court it's definitely noticeable (for me poly and gut wise). You can tell just by pushing the strings around and watching them snap back. Also considering the silicone is non-abrasive and water repealing should protect the gut longer. If I got lazy and let a poly job run longer then normal. One application and straightening followed by letting it sit for an hour or so quickly revived it. But look for that review in the next 12 hours.

Originally Posted by Say Chi Sin Lo

What Klip are you using? The normal Klip Legend right? I'm interested in your review as well, and mainly, I want to hear the differences between Klip Legend and Pacific Classic.

Also I'm using regular Klip Legend. I was thinking about getting the armour/tour but a lot of people said it doesn't play like gut at all and the coating wears off quickly.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by canny

Also I'm using regular Klip Legend. I was thinking about getting the armour/tour but a lot of people said it doesn't play like gut at all and the coating wears off quickly.

I don't know if you've seen it, but I'm in the process of reviewing many of the mid-level gut choices, crossed w/ MSV Co. Focus:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=450710

I've written up on both Armour Pro & Legend Tour, and will be adding Pacific Classic, regular Legend, and Becker Hero in the coming weeks. My playtest has been temporarily suspended because I have USTA Tri-Level sectionals this weekend & don't want to tinker too much before my matches.

[newyorkstadium]

Canny, doesn't silicone spray ruin tennis balls by making them wet. I've also read it makes them pick up dirt.

Cheers

[canny]

Originally Posted by McLovin

I don't know if you've seen it, but I'm in the process of reviewing many of the mid-level gut choices, crossed w/ MSV Co. Focus:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=450710

I've written up on both Armour Pro & Legend Tour, and will be adding Pacific Classic, regular Legend, and Becker Hero in the coming weeks. My playtest has been temporarily suspended because I have USTA Tri-Level sectionals this weekend & don't want to tinker too much before my matches.

I actually have read your playtest. Very helpfull actually im interested in how bbhero performs. I havent every played with any mid range guts myself besides this klip 18g. I've only played with vs. The Klip 18g seems like a better buy in my experience just as plush as the vs and more spin imo.

Originally Posted by newyorkstadium

Canny, doesn't silicone spray ruin tennis balls by making them wet. I've also read it makes them pick up dirt.

Cheers

Actually no, I havent ever had that problem. I use dry lubricant liquid wrench silicone spray (kmart) . Which dries pretty quick and leaves very little residue. The tennis balls only get alittle fuzzier than normal thats about it. I've also played on clay after applying it 20mins before. Didn't pick up anything. I guess it depends on what type of applicator you buy. Because I've heard of reports of it being messy and making the balls dirty but not in my experience over the past couple months which includes playing with numerous types of balls on different courts.

[newyorkstadium]

I might give it a try in the future. Thanks

[canny]

Just got done playing today. Decided to play on these new local municipality hard courts that got renovated (baddddd idea) the balls barely bounced it was weird. Have any of you encountered this before? Anyways I couldn't really gauge the performance. But holy string movement. My backhand slices were phenomenal. My forehands due to the low bounce cant really be judged. I was either bunting the ball back or kind of arming it. I'll play on my usual courts tomorrow. But so far the setup seems good.

[canny]

Also I was wondering Smasher or anyone else for that matter have you had any luck with focus hex as a cross? Playing with a full bed of that stuff was my go to poly for awhile and im wondering if the new soft version (18g and thinner at 1.15) with better pocketing and tension mantience would be a better cross than the co-focus.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by canny

Also I was wondering Smasher or anyone else for that matter have you had any luck with focus hex as a cross? Playing with a full bed of that stuff was my go to poly for awhile and im wondering if the new soft version (18g) with better pocketing and tension mantience would be a better cross than the co-focus.

I once tried FH in a poly-syngut hybrid and liked it for a while, but never used it as a cross for gut mains. IIRC the only poster I've read who's done that is TimothyO who I think swore by it for a while. In theory you should get a little more spin but at the expense of your longevity because its shaping means it has edges that will act like a saw. If you're interested in.going that route you might want to get a set of heptatwist too and compare all three!

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Originally Posted by canny

Also I was wondering Smasher or anyone else for that matter have you had any luck with focus hex as a cross? Playing with a full bed of that stuff was my go to poly for awhile and im wondering if the new soft version (18g and thinner at 1.15) with better pocketing and tension mantience would be a better cross than the co-focus.

I tried Focus Hex as a cross in my Mamba Gut hybrid by luck. Ordered a reel Co-Focus, didn't notice they sent me Focus Hex instead until I started hitting with it.

Compared to having Co-Focus in the crosses, the Focus Hex contributed to a noticeably stiffer stringbed. I didn't like it at all coming from Co-Focus cross. And I'm pretty sure the edges ate into my gut faster.

[McLovin]

I honestly don't see how a shaped poly in the cross will do anything different except eat through the gut faster. Twisted *maybe*, but that point has been debated ad nauseum on TT.

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Originally Posted by McLovin

I honestly don't see how a shaped poly in the cross will do anything different except eat through the gut faster. Twisted *maybe*, but that point has been debated ad nauseum on TT.

Well, the marketing BS is strong with this one.

[Ross K]

Pacific Gut/MSV Co-Focus in a 99s? What do ppl think?

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by Ross K

Pacific Gut/MSV Co-Focus in a 99s? What do ppl think?

Definitely try 16 or 16L gauge mains first. Fewer crosses in that racket should mean more movement, so you might burn through 17g mains quite quickly!

[lcalamar]

I'm using string savers and that has made a significant difference in durability.

I know have 1 racket with Classic and 1 with Tough Gut - both strung the same and both with String Savers - I'll report on differences in durability as well as playability.

I will say that at first Tough Gut was a little stiffer - but has relaxed nicely - took longer than the Classic - but plays great.

The other note is that for me I found the ToughGut MUCH easier to string... and that in itself may be the difference in durability - less kinks when I string and less overall stringing issues - though I am getting much better with the gut - just go slow and easy...

[canny]

Okay to followup with my play test the prince xp/klip combo at 50/54 played best right after being strung now after 10 days and a couple hours on the bed its like a trampoline. I seriously hated it. Nothing against your guy's advice but lower tensions are not for me. Especially gut wise. I restrung the same setup today at 58 gut and 54 poly. Played perfect.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by canny

Okay to followup with my play test the prince xp/klip combo at 50/54 played best right after being strung now after 10 days and a couple hours on the bed its like a trampoline. I seriously hated it. Nothing against your guy's advice but lower tensions are not for me. Especially gut wise. I restrung the same setup today at 58 gut and 54 poly. Played perfect.

I will say this: For years I heard people talking about low tensions, and I was thinking "They must be crazy! It would be a trampoline for me!".

Then this past fall I got a new Alpha machine with a Wise 2086 tension head (I'd been using a drop-weight for over 20 years). I strung up at my normal tensions (58 gut mains, 56 poly crosses) and my arm nearly fell off.

As it turns out, my drop weight was off by ~ 4 lbs, and I had been stringing at 54 & 52 all along.

So, my point is: Unless we are all having the same person string all our racquets on the same machine, tension is simply a reference point. It's like me telling you your car stereo sounds best at '8' because that is what I play mine at.

[lcalamar]

I play mine at 11

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by lcalamar

I play mine at 11

[lcalamar]

Originally Posted by The Big Kahuna

PLAYTEST UPDATE:

After 6 hours of play with the MSV Co-Focus 18g hybrid @ 48 (with KLIP Legend Tour 17g mains @ 52) in my Head Youtek Prestige Pro I am ready to declare this playtest to an end. Every time I put down this racquet to try one with another poly (Weiss Silverstring or Kirshbaum Pro Line II) while they both feel very good, I can wait to get back to the MSV. The feel and ball pocketing is SO much better. I have never felt strings with so much comfort, spin, control, and feel. The power is dialed down just a tad from the other two strings, but more balls go IN the court as a result. My groundstrokes and serves are much more consistent than they have been with anything else to date and it feels like the racquet is simply an part of my arm - it is almost as if I am "throwing the ball" back. The sweet spot feels huge and the picketing is insane! I am totally addicted. It is really like a whole new game for me. Fantastic!

I concur 100%... I'm just 'tweaking' by going back and forth between Pacific Classic Gut and Tough Gut... mainly for durability issues. THough string savers and being more careful while stringing seem to be helping the Classic Gut quite a bit.