Single handed backhand for juniors...

[luvforty]

let me rephrase again -

sequence is the same if you play like Dimitrov.

would not be the same if you have ww fh and old fart bh.... which maybe the reason of this ongoing debate.

[Cheetah]

Why are you posting videos of sampras' bh? lol.

How about you rephrase how you think the fh and bh are mirror images?

[luvforty]

we have a disconnect... the sequence is the same.. legs/hips then core then arm.... how the body parts actually fire maybe different..

you are tied up with the minutia.. i don't blame you... happens on the internet all the time.

i posted Sampras to clarify what i meant by 'old'.... and my point in the past few pages is that the 'old' is still being taught to the mass which is why people don't get any better with this shot.

when rubber meets the road, the kinetic chain stuff doesn't matter no more.... you say different, i say the same, who cares.

what matters, is what style gives the most margin for error, the biggest strike zone.

you are on board that the modern chop slice is easier to control and have bigger strike zone right?

slice you chop down and across... topspin drive you chop up and across.

or to get the feel even faster, you yank backwards like oscar says.

[Cheetah]

There is no data to prove old style bh is taught any more than current style. I see 8 years olds at the club with fed style bh's all the time. If you look at any college vid of one handers they all have the modern stroke. Where are they learning it?

yank backwards? on what?

[luvforty]

search for 'one handed backhand' on to.be ..... the first 5 that showed up all hit the 'old fart' way.... and these are supposedly good coaches, not to mention who knows whats going on at the local clubs lol...... no wonder this shot is dead.

[boramiNYC]

luv, if you think Oscar knows how to hit 1hbh, think again cuz we had that discussion before and it was pretty clear he has no clue. surprising really cuz usually he is quite thoughtful.

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by Cheetah

There is no data to prove old style bh is taught any more than current style. I see 8 years olds at the club with fed style bh's all the time. If you look at any college vid of one handers they all have the modern stroke. Where are they learning it?

yank backwards? on what?

i have said before.... when there is money involved.... aspiring juniors, college guys on scholarships etc.... survival of the fittest works.. and I am sure the best style is being taught (in general).

I am saying most rec people suffer on this shot because they are taught by old farts.

[BevelDevil]

The kinetic chain of a 1hbh and a modern forehand are very different. The typical modern forehand is swung with the weight loaded on the back foot, whereas the typical 1hbh (and closed stance 2hbh) is hit off the front foot.

But there are some similarities between the backhand and the "classic" forehand (i.e., neutral stance, step-then-swing).

[luvforty]

cheetah can you provide any link to top jr or college guy with 1hbh..... i actually have been looking for this french kid with a modern 1hbh but i cant find it.

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by boramiNYC

luv, if you think Oscar knows how to hit 1hbh, think again cuz we had that discussion before and it was pretty clear he has no clue. surprising really cuz usually he is quite thoughtful.

Oscar armed a few in that video.... but i believe his theory makes sense.

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by BevelDevil

The kinetic chain of a 1hbh and a modern forehand are very different. The typical modern forehand is swung with the weight loaded on the back foot, whereas the typical 1hbh (and closed stance 2hbh) is hit off the front foot.

But there are some similarities between the backhand and the "classic" forehand (i.e., neutral stance, step-then-swing).

i guess my statement caused more confusion than clarification lol.

what i was trying to say is - in order to achieve the racket path like a ww fh, you have the fire the muscles in the same sequence and the same intent.....

there will surely be difference in body parts, simply because of how the body is made.

[luvforty]

what is causing the significant difference in the finish between sampras and dimitrov (using 2 extremes here to make a point).

it's definitely NOT dimitrov's flexibility lol.

[Cheetah]

Originally Posted by luvforty

cheetah can you provide any link to top jr or college guy with 1hbh..... i actually have been looking for this french kid with a modern 1hbh but i cant find it.

here's a college guy w/ a 1hbh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO47hT0qHtQ

can't find the one i saw the other day posted here. that guy had an excellent one. this one is ok i guess. nothing to write home about.

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by Cheetah

here's a college guy w/ a 1hbh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO47hT0qHtQ

can't find the one i saw the other day posted here. that guy had an excellent one. this one is ok i guess. nothing to write home about.

well.... i guess this seals the deal for Ash.... do NOT teach kids 1hbh.

both guys are quite miserable on that wing... and i have no idea why neither of them didn't

1) hit EVERY ball to the bh... that wing clearly sucks, for both guys;
2) serve to the bh and then rush to the net.... every bh return is weak.

[thejackal]

(ex)college guy with a damn good 1hbh: Alex Clayton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4DCMrC35mo

[Avles]

Originally Posted by luvforty

cheetah can you provide any link to top jr or college guy with 1hbh..... i actually have been looking for this french kid with a modern 1hbh but i cant find it.

Not a college guy anymore, but Daniel Kosakowski has a 1hbh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZom-rtZmEU

[Cheetah]

Originally Posted by luvforty

and i think oscar hit the nail on the head regarding the snapping effect, and 'staying down' wasting half the chain.

tell you i fire the leg in my bh about as much as my fh.... why not.

You do? which leg would that be?
That tells me either your bh is weird or your fh is weak.

[luvforty]

right... why does it have to be weird or weak.

these college videos.... guys are obviously very good players... but all them bhs look like some after thought lol

[Cheetah]

which leg?

[luvforty]

i said right.