Federer at 25 FAR superior than Murray now

[McEnborg]

This Federer criticism is a freaking joke. The guy is HANDS DOWN the greatest player ever. Joko or Nadal might be able to catch him, but they need a lot more wins and longevity.

Federer has lost at least 1/2 or 1 full step and yet, he's still one of the top 4 players in the world.

Does anyone honestly think Joko, Rafa or Murray will be as good at age 31 as Roger is now?? If you do, you're delusional.

Federer in his prime from 2006 beats Murray, Joko and Rafa on hard court 90% of the time. The fact that Roger still gets to GS semis or finals and won Wimbledon last year is amazing. Look at his record, consistency, longevity, and all the indicators--he's the greatest ever. There is NO DEBATE --maybe in 3 or 4 years if Novak and/or Rafa win more slams and titles...BUT NOT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PimpMyGame]

I have no idea what message you are trying to convey, other than you are easily wound up by the trolls on this board.

[Sid_Vicious]

The butthurt is strong with this one.

[malbaker86]

And.......

[Sabratha]

Yes, what's your point? Not every player is a Federer, they only come around every decade or so.

[SwankPeRFection]

The way Novak is running around the court these days, I don't give him much time before he's sitting next to Nadal in the rehab center taking his injections in his knees.

[darrinbaker00]

Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection

The way Novak is running around the court these days, I don't give him much time before he's sitting next to Nadal in the rehab center taking his injections in his knees.

Roger lost. Get over it.

[Sabratha]

And Murray could be great at 31, he is slowly getting better with age and his game is reaching a new level every year or so. He truly is taking his game on like Lendl did in the second half of his career.

[Sreeram]

If Ferrer is able to play great tennis after 28 now 31, why not Andy? Andy has better fitness than Federer at 25. Any one will agree it. we have to still appreciate Fed for being close to injury free with the amount of tennis he pays. I don't find any reason for Andy or Dkjo to decline in next 5 years. But I seriously want a talented new generation to come that will Challenge them.

Also Fed at 25 did not have the challenge that Andy and Djko have today. Who knows who is going to raise their game in next 2 years?

[RF20Lennon]

Originally Posted by Sreeram

If Ferrer is able to play great tennis after 28 now 31, why not Andy? Andy has better fitness than Federer at 25. Any one will agree it. we have to still appreciate Fed for being close to injury free with the amount of tennis he pays. I don't find any reason for Andy or Dkjo to decline in next 5 years. But I seriously want a talented new generation to come that will Challenge them.

Also Fed at 25 did not have the challenge that Andy and Djko have today. Who knows who is going to raise their game in next 2 years?

Raonic and Tomic defs!

[Steve0904]

Originally Posted by Sreeram

If Ferrer is able to play great tennis after 28 now 31, why not Andy? Andy has better fitness than Federer at 25. Any one will agree it. we have to still appreciate Fed for being close to injury free with the amount of tennis he pays. I don't find any reason for Andy or Dkjo to decline in next 5 years. But I seriously want a talented new generation to come that will Challenge them.

Also Fed at 25 did not have the challenge that Andy and Djko have today. Who knows who is going to raise their game in next 2 years?

This person won't.

[sureshs]

Fed is playing the best he ever has, and still loses. Tennis has improved. Just deal with it.

[Doubles]

Murray won the match. End of discussion.

[Quite Please]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Fed is playing the best he ever has, and still loses. Tennis has improved. Just deal with it.

Haha, we should have a "Troll-meter", where people could give points (like +1) to users, when they make great troll threads or comments. Sureshs, you would be my favorite troll. The GTOAT!

[pjonesy]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

Yes, what's your point? Not every player is a Federer, they only come around every decade or so.

Yeah! Plus, It's not like the 25 yr old Federer will EVER play the 25 yr old Murray!!! Unless the OP has invented a time machine and can convince Fed or Murray to time travel.

[mattennis]

For me, 24-25 y.o. Federer was better than Nadal, Djokovic and Murray.

But for many people is just the opposite. You now, how they say, "the game is always improving".

Even Agassi thinks Djokovic's and Nadal's peak levels (and Murray's peak level too) are higher than Federer's peak level.

And the nº1 player in 2016 would defeat 6-0 6-0 6-0 peak Federer (or peak Nadal or peak Djokovic).

This is what they want to sell and many people agree with them (amazing).

[dudeski]

2007 Federer won AO in straight sets. So yes he was better than same age 2013 Djokovic and Murray.

[Goosehead]

Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

The butthurt is strong with this one.

yes..the needle on the butthurtometer is straining at the upper limits.

[dudeski]

I wonder if 31 year old Murray and Djokovic will get to 2019 AO semi.

[ctoth666]

It's very difficult to call whether or not a player at one time is better than another player at another time. For the most part it's impossible to do so. But Murray is an amazing player, especially now that he's playing better than ever, and I don't know that Federer was ever that much better than Murray is now. Federer has never dominated this blue Australian Open surface, and I would argue that even though he won the 2010 event, Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal have all been better on this surface. Federer dominated on a different court at a different time, and although his greatness is undisputed, he had to beat Marcos Baghdatis and Fernando Gonzalez for two of his titles. I mean, there hasn't been easier opposition in a major final in the past five years, and Federer has been much less successful.