Federer at 25 FAR superior than Murray now - Page 2

Gonzo_style · 01-25-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnborg

This Federer criticism is a freaking joke. The guy is HANDS DOWN the greatest player ever. Joko or Nadal might be able to catch him, but they need a lot more wins and longevity.

Federer has lost at least 1/2 or 1 full step and yet, he's still one of the top 4 players in the world.

Does anyone honestly think Joko, Rafa or Murray will be as good at age 31 as Roger is now?? If you do, you're delusional.

Federer in his prime from 2006 beats Murray, Joko and Rafa on hard court 90% of the time. The fact that Roger still gets to GS semis or finals and won Wimbledon last year is amazing. Look at his record, consistency, longevity, and all the indicators--he's the greatest ever. There is NO DEBATE --maybe in 3 or 4 years if Novak and/or Rafa win more slams and titles...BUT NOT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cool story bro

Sabratha · 01-25-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dudeski

I wonder if 31 year old Murray and Djokovic will get to 2019 AO semi.

The way things are, yes.

Sreeram · 01-25-2013, 11:17 AM

Federer definitely played a weaker batch of players in his prime. He was lucky to get to his prime in that era when players were not both talented and fit as today's Dkjo and Murray. None of the payers he played to win in GS titles who are still playing are in top 10 (exculding Murray and Djko). Those whom he beat in current top 4, Murray and Djko especially are playing at a totally different level now. They are no longer babies like when he beat them.

Rodick, Hewitt, Bahgdathis who were playing with current batch of players cannot even make to top 10. If it happens with one player it is fine but none of them can be in top 10 then it means they were not playing the current level of today's top 4.

Having said all this, I am not a Federer hater, he deserves the credit for his success. But we have to agree that Fed at 25 in today's draw will not have the same success. May be 40% of what he had at that time only he can have if he was 25 in this era.

jokinla · 01-25-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sreeram

If Ferrer is able to play great tennis after 28 now 31, why not Andy? Andy has better fitness than Federer at 25. Any one will agree it. we have to still appreciate Fed for being close to injury free with the amount of tennis he pays. I don't find any reason for Andy or Dkjo to decline in next 5 years. But I seriously want a talented new generation to come that will Challenge them.

Also Fed at 25 did not have the challenge that Andy and Djko have today. Who knows who is going to raise their game in next 2 years?

Yep, the hallmark of a pusher's game, great fitness.

NadalDramaQueen · 01-25-2013, 11:24 AM

This is pretty obvious OP. Troll posts on TW will never change tennis history, so let them have their fun. Unless Murray annihilates all of Fed's records, he will only be an afterthought given enough time.

THUNDERVOLLEY · 01-25-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnborg

This Federer criticism is a freaking joke. The guy is HANDS DOWN the greatest player ever.

Whatever. Last time I checked, he never won the Grand Slam, so he's no greatest player. Joko or Nadal might be able to catch him, but they need a lot more wins and longevity.

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Does anyone honestly think Joko, Rafa or Murray will be as good at age 31 as Roger is now?? If you do, you're delusional.

Stop being so defensive.

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Federer in his prime from 2006 beats Murray, Joko and Rafa on hard court 90% of the time.

This is 2013. What's Federer doing right now?

kishnabe · 01-25-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ctoth666

It's very difficult to call whether or not a player at one time is better than another player at another time. For the most part it's impossible to do so. But Murray is an amazing player, especially now that he's playing better than ever, and I don't know that Federer was ever that much better than Murray is now. Federer has never dominated this blue Australian Open surface, and I would argue that even though he won the 2010 event, Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal have all been better on this surface. Federer dominated on a different court at a different time, and although his greatness is undisputed, he had to beat Marcos Baghdatis and Fernando Gonzalez for two of his titles. I mean, there hasn't been easier opposition in a major final in the past five years, and Federer has been much less successful.

Fernando was playing too good for anyone but Roger. The assault he put on Haas was mind blowing.

Baghdatis was easy though...almost was 2 set to love against Federer.

NadalDramaQueen · 01-25-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by THUNDERVOLLEY

Whatever. Last time I checked, he never won the Grand Slam, so he's no greatest player. Joko or Nadal might be able to catch him, but they need a lot more wins and longevity.

Stop being so defensive.

This is 2013. What's Federer doing right now?

I think there is more to being the GOAT then picking up a grand slam. If someone comes along and wins four majors total, but they all happen to be in the same year, I don't think I'm going to put him above people who have reached double digits. If you would, then good for you.

The OP is only remembering better days. Murray's and Djoker's wins certainly count, but they don't change or take away what Federer has already been able to accomplish. Even if you will never admit that he is the best, you must certainly think he is at least very good, no?

Sreeram · 01-25-2013, 11:42 AM

we have to agree that the game is changing and people are getting fitter and fitter. Murray and Dkjo have warrior like body that can withstand hours of tennis. Federer is really doing good job by staying at top with them with less than half the fitness as these guys (in terms of atheletism). It is because of his talent he is still in top 4 not by fitness. I am sure with the kind of training and disciple that Murray and Dkjo have, they will play even close to 35.

TheF1Bob · 01-25-2013, 11:45 AM

Fedards need to move on and accept reality.

NadalDramaQueen · 01-25-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sreeram

we have to agree that the game is changing and people are getting fitter and fitter. Murray and Dkjo have warrior like body that can withstand hours of tennis. Federer is really doing good job by staying at top with them with less than half the fitness as these guys (in terms of atheletism). It is because of his talent he is still in top 4 not by fitness. I am sure with the kind of training and disciple that Murray and Dkjo have, they will play even close to 35.

We'll see.

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Originally Posted by TheF1Bob

Fedards need to move on and accept reality.

TheF1Bob can't handle the truth.

TheF1Bob · 01-25-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

TheF1Bob can't handle the truth.

NadalDramaQueen · 01-25-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheF1Bob

A second tier response from a fan of a second tier player.

TheF1Bob · 01-25-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

A second tier response from a fan of a second tier player.

NadalDramaQueen · 01-25-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheF1Bob

Not everyone can be the best. Simple stuff.

Let us at least hope for a calm Sunday down under.

Sid_Vicious · 01-25-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheF1Bob

All OPs should include this into their posts in order to scare Clarky out of their threads.

TheF1Bob · 01-25-2013, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

Not everyone can be the best. Simple stuff.

Let us at least hope for a calm Sunday down under.

TheF1Bob · 01-25-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

All OPs should include this into their posts in order to scare Clarky out of their threads.

LOL you want something to scare Clarky with, this will be it.

ctoth666 · 01-25-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kishnabe

Fernando was playing too good for anyone but Roger. The assault he put on Haas was mind blowing.

Baghdatis was easy though...almost was 2 set to love against Federer.

That doesn't matter. They weren't champions, and they never reached a major final before or after the Australian Open final. They weren't players of consistent quality like Djokovic, Murray, or Nadal and more importantly, they weren't as fierce of competitors. Please. I love Roger, but it is what it is. A physically fit and fresh, in-onimous-form Federer couldn't even beat a less than 100% Nadal on this court in 2009, when Federer was playing better tennis than he is now. Marcos Baghdatis, no matter how well he's playing, is always a better draw than Murray, Djokovic, or Nadal.

zagor · 01-25-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ctoth666

A physically fit and fresh, in-onimous-form Federer couldn't even beat a less than 100% Nadal on this court in 2009, when Federer was playing better tennis than he is now.

Certainly not, he was on the brink of losing in the 4th round and made a career highest # of doublefaults in any slam tourney, he was in good form but "in-onimous" it was not (that would be something like 2005 or 2007 AO)..

Regarding Nadal being less than 100%, considering that that's the only time the guy actually won AO, that's a ridiculous statement.

BTW. If Gonzo is so weak, how come he managed to blast mighty GOAT Nadal off court in his AO run?

01-25-2013, 11:17 AM	#23
Sreeram Semi-Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 737	Federer definitely played a weaker batch of players in his prime. He was lucky to get to his prime in that era when players were not both talented and fit as today's Dkjo and Murray. None of the payers he played to win in GS titles who are still playing are in top 10 (exculding Murray and Djko). Those whom he beat in current top 4, Murray and Djko especially are playing at a totally different level now. They are no longer babies like when he beat them. Rodick, Hewitt, Bahgdathis who were playing with current batch of players cannot even make to top 10. If it happens with one player it is fine but none of them can be in top 10 then it means they were not playing the current level of today's top 4. Having said all this, I am not a Federer hater, he deserves the credit for his success. But we have to agree that Fed at 25 in today's draw will not have the same success. May be 40% of what he had at that time only he can have if he was 25 in this era. __________________ Donay Gold 99 with Tourna Bighitter blue 16g.

01-25-2013, 11:42 AM	#29
Sreeram Semi-Pro Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 737	we have to agree that the game is changing and people are getting fitter and fitter. Murray and Dkjo have warrior like body that can withstand hours of tennis. Federer is really doing good job by staying at top with them with less than half the fitness as these guys (in terms of atheletism). It is because of his talent he is still in top 4 not by fitness. I am sure with the kind of training and disciple that Murray and Dkjo have, they will play even close to 35. __________________ Donay Gold 99 with Tourna Bighitter blue 16g.

01-25-2013, 11:45 AM	#30
TheF1Bob Legend Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Leicester Posts: 5,713	Fedards need to move on and accept reality. __________________ Les Misérables Scandal - Novak Djokovic was screwed by one Pascal Maria. Novak Djokovic is our rightful champion.

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