Are strategies relevant today in Modern Tennis?

[TCF]

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[luvforty]

Originally Posted by TCF

I know some very successful coaches who use these pages for laughs. At least 75% of the advice from the most voluminous posters is garbage.

that's quite snobbish of these 'successful coaches'...... it's like gourmet chef laughing at soup kitchen volunteers for making terrible soups.

hey 75% aint bad.

it's arguable, that like any other profession, you get 25% good, 50% bad, and 25% ugly..... that goes for tennis coaches also

[anubis]

I think there's far less point construction than there was in the past. From a purely third person observer, games appear to be slug-fests. Just keep hitting the ball as hard as you can until the other person caves in.

I think the "older crew", those that are 30 or older have a little more in the way of point construction. But the young guns, the new crew, I think they're just standing at the baseline hitting the ball as hard as they can, because they can.

I don't see much in the way of calculations, plans and strategies.

[treblings]

Originally Posted by luvforty

no... sureshs was trolling, and you guys totally took the bait.

let me help you out.

sureshs suffers from the misconception that just because he saw all those instruction videos and read all those articles about tennis means, that he understands it all.

the bubble bursts from time to time, when he comes up with a wild theory like the one about strategy and gets cut down to size.
when that happens, usually his first reaction is throwing big words around, like supination, deviation, internal rotation and whatnot.

at this point,many posters give up on trying to communicate with him.
if some posters still persist to argue with him, he often comes up with a different strategy, namely abandoning the thread and start a new one.

that´s not trolling, that´s just sad

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by anubis

I think there's far less point construction than there was in the past. From a purely third person observer, games appear to be slug-fests. Just keep hitting the ball as hard as you can until the other person caves in.

I think the "older crew", those that are 30 or older have a little more in the way of point construction. But the young guns, the new crew, I think they're just standing at the baseline hitting the ball as hard as they can, because they can.

I don't see much in the way of calculations, plans and strategies.

That is my point. Only a few simple strategies like hit where the other guy isn't, don't hit up the middle, try to come to the net to finish the point - things that come naturally with playing matches.

They routinely hit up the line over the high part of the net, go for broke on several shots, don't follow the directionals, etc. ATP points start from the 4th stroke onwards, if they managed to survive the serve, and the server did not put away a weak return.

It is basically about power and stamina now, and of course good strokes.

[arche3]

Originally Posted by treblings

let me help you out.

sureshs suffers from the misconception that just because he saw all those instruction videos and read all those articles about tennis means, that he understands it all.

the bubble bursts from time to time, when he comes up with a wild theory like the one about strategy and gets cut down to size.
when that happens, usually his first reaction is throwing big words around, like supination, deviation, internal rotation and whatnot.

at this point,many posters give up on trying to communicate with him.
if some posters still persist to argue with him, he often comes up with a different strategy, namely abandoning the thread and start a new one.

that´s not trolling, that´s just sad

You forgot his other ploy. He posts something so weird about something totally off topic and you wtf and then leave the thread.

Suresh is capable of coaching federer I think with all the high speed slow motion zillion frame per second pro videos he studies. Really. Ask him.

At least he is not as bad as senoc. Remember dozu? Lol.

[Avles]

Originally Posted by arche3

Remember dozu? Lol.

dozu is among us....

[arche3]

Originally Posted by Avles

dozu is among us....

Oh really? Very interesting.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by arche3

You forgot his other ploy. He posts something so weird about something totally off topic and you wtf and then leave the thread.

Suresh is capable of coaching federer I think with all the high speed slow motion zillion frame per second pro videos he studies. Really. Ask him.

At least he is not as bad as senoc. Remember dozu? Lol.

I only have access to the videos that are free on Youtube. I am not a member of any paid site.

[arche3]

Originally Posted by sureshs

I only have access to the videos that are free on Youtube. I am not a member of any paid site.

Well then I'm really disregarding all you say. Only tennis playa dot dot high speed time warp video is fit to be used for analysis. How do you see the fine details and suponation pronation angles and isr on regular YouTube? Its not possible. Only one person has the years of experience in high time warp analysis. You should know that.

[luvforty]

arche3 how snobbish of you

[arche3]

Originally Posted by luvforty

arche3 how snobbish of you

Im starting to think I need a time machine to travel to the future where avatar full sensory simulation is the only way. just have the world top player host your mind during a match and you learn all the muscle memory. back in your body and you know all the shots. No practice needed.

Now im stuck with only 2000 frame pers second video. Not good enough.

[luvforty]

Originally Posted by arche3

Im starting to think I need a time machine to travel to the future where avatar full sensory simulation is the only way. just have the world top player host your mind during a match and you learn all the muscle memory. back in your body and you know all the shots. No practice needed.

Now im stuck with only 2000 frame pers second video. Not good enough.

I have always be wondering about when that will become reality... but then that perhaps spells the end of human race as we know it.

we become gattaca... only the purest genes are selected, every tennis player will be the same, and matches become totally irrelevant.

somebody has to flip the burgers.

[Relinquis]

reminds me of the tennis in 2033 thread... avatars from post 24 onwards...

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...is+2033&page=2

Anyway, Sureshs,

Did you get a chance to practice serves yet?

[pnoytennis]

Just for the fun of it: i will join the conversation. the higher your level the better strategy you need specially when you have a very glaring weakness. knowing your strength and weakness and taking a gambit is a strategy. federer's BH became a liability when rafa started to dominate, roddick,s ground game started to be a liability when federer footworks showed that power is not everything . Before i get out of topic, here is a strategy for you. federer is a stubborn mule but ever since he had annacone they noticed the rafa's backhand is starting to become a weakness. due to federers hard headedness he tired his best to out hit rafa with his forehand therefore committing errors. since annacone came to his corner you will notice that fed started to hit to rafa's backhand which is showing some results. Nole did the same thing. attacked rafa's backhand.

Also in australian open 2009, when roger knew that andy murray was against him in the finals he had a bunch of tapes to watch the guy play in australia. it's a lot of nonsense that i typed but strategy is very important specially the higher you are.

[treblings]

Originally Posted by pnoytennis

Just for the fun of it: i will join the conversation. the higher your level the better strategy you need specially when you have a very glaring weakness. knowing your strength and weakness and taking a gambit is a strategy. federer's BH became a liability when rafa started to dominate, roddick,s ground game started to be a liability when federer footworks showed that power is not everything . Before i get out of topic, here is a strategy for you. federer is a stubborn mule but ever since he had annacone they noticed the rafa's backhand is starting to become a weakness. due to federers hard headedness he tired his best to out hit rafa with his forehand therefore committing errors. since annacone came to his corner you will notice that fed started to hit to rafa's backhand which is showing some results. Nole did the same thing. attacked rafa's backhand.

Also in australian open 2009, when roger knew that andy murray was against him in the finals he had a bunch of tapes to watch the guy play in australia. it's a lot of nonsense that i typed but strategy is very important specially the higher you are.

you´ve come to the right place welcome

[hyperion99]

Originally Posted by pnoytennis

Just for the fun of it: i will join the conversation. the higher your level the better strategy you need specially when you have a very glaring weakness. knowing your strength and weakness and taking a gambit is a strategy. federer's BH became a liability when rafa started to dominate, roddick,s ground game started to be a liability when federer footworks showed that power is not everything . Before i get out of topic, here is a strategy for you. federer is a stubborn mule but ever since he had annacone they noticed the rafa's backhand is starting to become a weakness. due to federers hard headedness he tired his best to out hit rafa with his forehand therefore committing errors. since annacone came to his corner you will notice that fed started to hit to rafa's backhand which is showing some results. Nole did the same thing. attacked rafa's backhand.

Also in australian open 2009, when roger knew that andy murray was against him in the finals he had a bunch of tapes to watch the guy play in australia. it's a lot of nonsense that i typed but strategy is very important specially the higher you are.

You are absolutely correct.
The higher the level the more strategy/fitness/mental strength needs to be applied.

[luvforty]

well - this is the 2nd time i watched the final... and honestly every point looks the same.

it's really a shame.

[LeeD]

Maybe you need to watch closer?
What I saw, talking AussieMen's final, was DJ changing his forehand to a loopier, higher, slower ball, then slicing harder after the first two sets.
Saw him serving out wide more often, moving to net and moving Andy to net, taking advantage of Andy's more suspect movement.
When he get's frustrated, he often started to hit much harder, then backed off after maybe 3 hard shots, because he knew he was about to miss.
And when Andy seemed to recover a bit from his toe and left hip, and started hitting better and better, DJ kept the wide serves, missed too many hard ones, but started serving wide second serves and covering his wide forehand side, forcing Andy to hit either wider or up the line.
You don't think dropshotting a obviously semi injured player is not strategy?

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by luvforty

well - this is the 2nd time i watched the final... and honestly every point looks the same.

it's really a shame.

That's not the point, I agree, boring, it SEEMS like they are just slamming back and forth, and to some degree do, but to say there is no strategy is incorrect, that is demonstrable.

Murray for example slamming to Feds backhand then coming to the net, that's strategy, it's not there is no strategy, it's just not, in my opinion, as stategy intensive as the "Old" game.

I mean todays game is a bit like chess, "If I kill it to his forehand where he can barely get it, where will HE hit it", they did a cool job of showing some patterns, Murray of all people they showed for example going left, then right, then right behind Fed running the wrong way (A Fed move).

I think the whole point of this thread is really saying "Modern Tennis is boring", I agree, but it doesn't mean it's worse or there is no strategy.