If you blame Azarenka, You need to blame Rafa as well

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

Everybody takes MTOs. Blame Li Na. She took 2 MTOs, one of them in the middle of Aza's service game. It takes some nerves to complain about Vika after that.

I would just like to point out that, in anticipation of this thread and general idea, you handled the whole Azarenka incident well in order to avoid any hypocrisy. Hats off to you, sir.

Not that it took any extraordinary foresight...

[Magnus]

Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

I would just like to point out that, in anticipation of this thread and general idea, you handled the whole Azarenka incident well in order to avoid any hypocrisy. Hats off to you, sir.

Not that it took any extraordinary foresight...

Makes her even more hypocrite imo.

[namelessone]

Let's be honest here, every player that takes a shady MTO has learned it from Nadal.

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by namelessone

Let's be honest here, every player that takes a shady MTO has learned it from Nadal.

He wrote the book "cheating with mto's for dummies"

[dominikk1985]

Originally Posted by Magnus

Seriously, stop the double standards. Nadal has started the whole fake injury fiasco and did it time after time against multiple opponents. Its how he won Wimbledon 2010, its how he won Hamburg 2008, FO11, etc.

The guy has used those tactics to his advantage many, many times. Since it was proved so succsesful other players have started embracing it and now we have a sport full of cheaters, both in ATP and WTA. Azarenka is just another cheater.

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threads about nadals "fake injuries".

[SLD76]

Originally Posted by namelessone

Let's be honest here, every player that takes a shady MTO has learned it from Nadal.

::blink:::


thats twice today we agree.

Damn..maybe the mayans were right?

[augustobt]

But I blame Nadal. He is a dirty cheater.

[Magnus]

Originally Posted by namelessone

Let's be honest here, every player that takes a shady MTO has learned it from Nadal.

Good to see you acknowldege he did that. And yet you are his fan. What does that say about you as a person?

[edmondsm]

Of course I blame them both. We've seen Nadal do it more then a few times.

[edmondsm]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

Everybody takes MTOs. Blame Li Na. She took 2 MTOs, one of them in the middle of Aza's service game. It takes some nerves to complain about Vika after that.

LOL that you even compare the two. Li Na had visibly turned her ankle, both times. Vika not only had no visible injury, but later admitted that she was just succumbing to nerves. Your bias is so strong. You are desperate to not acknowledge that Nadal has used MTOs in an unsporting fashion.

[DeShaun]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

If the issue is that it throws the opponent off rhythm, it will do so whether you estimate it's legit or not and it will definitely be worse in the middle of a game. There is no way to evaluate whether breathing issues are more or less legitimate than a bump on the head. It's 100% subjective.

I agree. Its all bout throwing people off rhythm and it traces back to McEnroe and his predecessors Im sure. Anything to gain an edge when margins are thin.

[Magnus]

Originally Posted by edmondsm

LOL that you even compare the two. Li Na had visibly turned her ankle, both times. Vika not only had no visible injury, but later admitted that she was just succumbing to nerves. Your bias is so strong. You are desperate to not acknowledge that Nadal has used MTOs in an unsporting fashion.

This.

And Nadal will continue doing so and his cheater fans will keep cheering for it.

[Magnus]

Originally Posted by DeShaun

I agree. Its all bout throwing people off rhythm and it traces back to McEnroe and his predecessors Im sure. Anything to gain an edge when margins are thin.

The timing, the essence, and what happens in the match are more than enough evidence to see if its legit or not. Li Na, for example, fell quite a few times and she needed medical treatment (and I still don't justify her taking it!). Azarenka took it to get a breather and for her opponent to get annoyed, it is clear by the timing, the fact she wasn't injured during the match, and how she played after.

With Li Na, she couldn't play well after the MTOs, it was clear she was injured, she didn't mvoe well, she could not sustain any sort of solid game to really threaten Vika. As for Nadal, just watch Wimbledon 2010, round 3 match, Nadal was so stressed, he seriously considered he's going to lose the match, and needed to throw his opponent off rhythm as well as getting a breather. He took an MTO (for an injury nobody saw happen during the match) and then was running like a rabbit, hitting winners, annoying his opponent who loste his focus, and his serve, and eventually the match. What Nadal did belongs in soccer, not in tennis, he should have been called out for it by interviewers and tennis officials and he wasn't. I'd let it go if it was the only example but its hardly the only one.

[Jay_The_Nomad]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

If the issue is that it throws the opponent off rhythm, it will do so whether you estimate it's legit or not and it will definitely be worse in the middle of a game. There is no way to evaluate whether breathing issues are more or less legitimate than a bump on the head. It's 100% subjective.

That is such an ignorant statement.

This bump on the head is not just a bump. The main concern is that Li Na could have suffered a concussion (I.e. injury to her brain). The danger is that if she did indeed suffer a concussion from the first fall, if she were to fall and sustain trauma to her neck or brain, this second concussion could potentially lead to sudden death.

[Jay_The_Nomad]

Originally Posted by Magnus

To be honest, while I like Li Na and was rooting for her, I couldn't shake the feeling that if she was really that hurt, she should have stopped playing. If its not career-threatning injury, she should not be able to get treatment and just move on. Those MTOs have become a joke. Players are now using them as a bonus rather than a real treatment to a problem. It:

a) Gives them a nice treatment
b) Stops the opponent's momentum and annoys them
c) allows them to get a breather

Nadal started the fiasco, and now its out of control.

The medical time outs are there to assess if the player is fit enough to continue playing and whether if they continue the match they put themselves at risk of causing serious damage.

If the injury is minor enough, they get taped up to minimize movement (as a precaution) and off they go so the spectators have a match to watch. Minor injuries does not mean you can't compete. It just means your injured body part is now weakened and even more susceptible to damage. So you need taping to protect it.

That is the intended purpose of MTOs. But just because MTOs are being exploited does not mean it should be scrapped.

I just think there should be more stringent supervision of MTOs. For example, you should not be able to have an MTO for cramps. If you got a cramp you shouldn't be able to ask the trainer to come out and massage you.

[Magnus]

Originally Posted by Jay_The_Nomad

The medical time outs are there to assess if the player is fit enough to continue playing and whether if they continue the match they put themselves at risk of causing serious damage.

If the injury is minor enough, they get taped up to minimize movement (as a precaution) and off they go so the spectators have a match to watch. Minor injuries does not mean you can't compete. It just means your injured body part is now weakened and even more susceptible to damage. So you need taping to protect it.

That is the intended purpose of MTOs. But just because MTOs are being exploited does not mean it should be scrapped.

I just think there should be more stringent supervision of MTOs. For example, you should not be able to have an MTO for cramps. If you got a cramp you shouldn't be able to ask the trainer to come out and massage you.

If an injury is not severe yet the player, according to your definition, still deserves an MTO, he should at least get it only at the end of sets. The way it is now - you can just take it whenever you want, and you can take it on whatever excuse you come up with. Look at Azarenka, look at Nadal, one could argue they won their respective matches (the ones I was mentioning in previous posts) thanks to exploiting the rules and using the MTOs for reasons that have nothing to do with injuries. They should come up with a solution for this, same way they should enforce the time between points rule, yet I haven't seen them do that in the AO.

[Jay_The_Nomad]

Originally Posted by Magnus

If an injury is not severe yet the player, according to your definition, still deserves an MTO, he should at least get it only at the end of sets..

I think MTOs at the end of a set is not practical or ideal.

Its better to have MTOs on the injured player's serve.

[Alchemy-Z]

Just make it where a MTO exceeding 5 min grants the opposing player the next point.

So if you just got broken and take a MTO over 5min when your opponent starts serving they begin in the add court with 15-0

[always_crosscourt]

Not sure what your point is, OP?

We blame them both already.

[Tennis_Hands]

Originally Posted by edmondsm

LOL that you even compare the two. Li Na had visibly turned her ankle, both times. Vika not only had no visible injury, but later admitted that she was just succumbing to nerves. Your bias is so strong. You are desperate to not acknowledge that Nadal has used MTOs in an unsporting fashion.

Veroniquem is a unique poster.

No moral and knowledge of the game whatsoever (well, except for the one, gained here) which is visible in her contribution in threads like this. Saying something completely dumb and disrespectful, and, when called on it, stops posting untill it is forgotten.