Where would you rank Djokovic now? - Page 2

THUNDERVOLLEY · 01-27-2013, 06:58 AM

Djokovic is exactly where he's at: 6 majors, but no overwhelming majors distinction. If Djokovic went on a tear and won all 2013 majors, he's not only the best of his generation the moment that USO point is won (no question about it), but on the same stage as Laver.

The_Order · 01-27-2013, 07:01 AM

I don't see him winning another Wimbledon. Maybe he will though, I just don't see it happening.

USO he'll definitely win at least one more.

RG I reckon he might get one.

AO he'll win a couple more.

So maybe 11 slams max imo.

tudwell · 01-27-2013, 07:44 AM

He's definitely surpassed Wilander/Edberg/Becker. Becker and Wilander each had one multi-slam year, but Djokovic's multi-slam year was far better than either of theirs. And like Edberg, Djokovic has had two year-end number one finishes, but both of his years (especially 2011) were more dominant than either of Edberg's years at number one. He will quickly overtake Edberg, the only one of the three currently higher than him in weeks at number one. He's one slam short of Wilander, but I can't see him not matching that or surpassing it. He has more Masters than Wilander and Edberg, and the same number as Becker. And I'm sure his overall title count will rise to match the likes of Edber and Becker.

The real question is can he get the career slam and put himself on the same tier as Agassi. Frankly, I think if he won the French this year, I'd put him above Agassi. Agassi was never as dominant or consistent as Djokovic has been. The only thing he really has over him now is the career slam.

West Coast Ace · 01-27-2013, 07:57 AM

Too soon to tell. But with Nadal and Fed near the end, Murray not really in his league, he could rip of 3 of 4 for the next 3 years. To those saying he hasn't won enough off hard, if he wins RG this year he could win a bunch of them. Wimbledon is the one he may not win more than 1.

He could easily end up just below the Fed, Laver, Sampras Big 3.

Talker · 01-27-2013, 08:09 AM

I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple FO's.

He can win anywhere so will have 4 legitimate chances every year.
He should have 3 years playing at a high level, maybe more.

Right now he's adding weeks at #1.
All good stats with plenty of time to add to all of them.

He may also have the best chance now for a CYGS, the main threat to stop him is questionable.

TMF · 01-27-2013, 08:18 AM

Nole still has some work to do. He has been so consistent on all surfaces since 2011...either he's a champion or a runner-up is a testament of domination. I know some people(except many old-timers) will argue for him being in the top 10 greatest of all time.

borg number one · 01-27-2013, 08:18 AM

With his great results during the last few years, I'd place him somewhere around 15 or so. In the top 20 ever.

egn · 01-27-2013, 08:18 AM

I rank him below Edberg, Becker, Wilander mostly because I am not putting as much stock anymore in this homogenous surface crap. What guys like Lendl and Mac did to even get to finals on their worst surface was impressive. Borg's impressive three time french-wimby double was unheard of. When McEnroe made that French Open final, the world was shocked, McEnroe was playing the highest level of tennis from him anyone had ever seen, had he won that French Open given his game and play style and that surface it would have been impressive. Lendl had to reinvent himself and did so to attempt to complete his box set to win Wimbledon. He sacrificed French Open wins just to get that wimbledon. Today you can win all 4 majors playing the same play style. He's right behind Becker on my list, Wilander, Edberg, Becker then Djokovic.

NadalAgassi · 01-27-2013, 08:25 AM

I think he surpasses Becker, Edberg, and Wilander firmly at this point. None of those guys were ever so consistent for 6 years plus as Djokovic has been, were solidly the best player in the World for over 2, had a year like Djokovics 2011 (Wilander in 1988 had 3 slams, but not the dominance of the regular tour of Djokovic, and barely even got to number 1 over slamless Lendl), were as good across all types of surfaces. Only in slam count are they comparable at this point.

I see him on par with people like Newcombe, Hoad, and Perry right now, but a bit behind Agassi and McEnroe. He will be on par with Agassi and McEnroe when he wins his 7th slams, and on par with Lendl, Connors, when he wins his 8th. Actually if he wins the French to make it a career slam (which he probably will this year) he moves up even faster than that.

forzamilan90 · 01-27-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by THUNDERVOLLEY

Djokovic is exactly where he's at: 6 majors, but no overwhelming majors distinction. If Djokovic went on a tear and won all 2013 majors, he's not only the best of his generation the moment that USO point is won (no question about it), but on the same stage as Laver.

Yes cause a calendar grand slam, 9 majors total is comparable to Laver's overall resume?

NadalAgassi · 01-27-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by forzamilan90

Yes cause a calendar grand slam, 9 majors total is comparable to Laver's overall resume?

Djokovic would be certain to win more majors after this year though.

TMF · 01-27-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by forzamilan90

Yes cause a calendar grand slam, 9 majors total is comparable to Laver's overall resume?

Thundervolley is saying if Nole win all 4 slams this year means he has won a Calendar Grand Slam. According to him, a single GS is the be-all and end-all, it eclipses player's entire career achievement(e.g. Borg/Nadal 11, Sampras 14, etc.). We all know that's BS.

No one think Don Budge is a goat except Thundervolley.

forzamilan90 · 01-27-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Djokovic would be certain to win more majors after this year though.

Maybe. But the overemphasis Thundervolley puts on the Calendar Grand Slam overshadows the overall accomplishments, the entirety of a player's career seemingly. Look at the way he is dismissive of Federer, and everyone else who hasn't done "the ultimate feat" in tennis. It's like that's the only thing that defines your greatness: Budge and Laver. SMH.

forzamilan90 · 01-27-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TMF

Thundervolley is saying if Nole win all 4 slams this year means he has won a Calendar Grand Slam. According to him, a single GS is the be-all and end-all, it eclipses player's entire career achievement(e.g. Borg/Nadal 11, Sampras 14, etc.). We all know that's BS.

No one think Don Budge is a goat except Thundervolley.

Add Gonzales and Rosewall to the list of Calendar Grand Slam snubs.

librarysteg · 01-27-2013, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix1983

After winning his sixth slam and becoming the AO GOAT (4 titles, including 3 consecutive), where would you rank Djokovic among Open Era greats? *

As well as his slams, he has two years as world No 1, two YECs and has won 7 of the 9 Masters series events.

For me, Djokovic is now ahead of Wilander, Becker and Edberg.

He is still a bit short of the Lendl/Connors/Agassi/McEnroe tier though (and some way short of Fed/Sampras/Borg/Nadal).

Thus I would rank him 9th in the Open Era at present.

* Players who played their whole career in the Open Era.

Sounds just about right. I think he'll likely rise higher over the next few years.

ruariatp · 01-27-2013, 09:39 AM

i reckon he could well surpass nadal, especially ifd the end is nigh for rafa

NadalAgassi · 01-27-2013, 09:42 AM

I think if he wins one Calendar Grand Slam, multiple slams at every venue (realistic for him) and reaches 14 or 15 majors he would be the overall GOAT. That is still a long way off though.

powerangle · 01-27-2013, 01:57 PM

I agree that he's above Wilander/Becker/Edberg now. But I disagree that he's only a little short of Agassi/Lendl/Connors/McEnroe. I like to look beyond the majors (although that is the weightiest factor).

If Nole wins two more majors this year, including the French Open for the career slam, then I'd place him still slightly behind those guys. Simply because he's still far short in total number of titles compared to all of them, and way wayyyy behind in # of weeks as #1 when compared to all of them except Agassi.

I'll place Novak on par with them if and when he wins his 9th slam, and when he ends this year as #1 (very likely).

timnz · 01-27-2013, 10:08 PM

According to the following rankings that objectively score only Masters 1000 equivalent events and higher, using the current ATP weighting, Novak is running 10th (below Becker but having surpassed Edberg and Wilander)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=452761

ALL IN · 01-27-2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarky21

Even if he does win 2 RG titles, that would still put him at having only 3 slams off of hardcourts. Nadal has 4 slams off of clay and people still don't think that enough, so Lance having only 3 off of his best surface certainly does not cut it.

Yeah, Novak is terrible and you hate him. We get it already jeeez

01-27-2013, 07:01 AM	#22
The_Order Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,611	I don't see him winning another Wimbledon. Maybe he will though, I just don't see it happening. USO he'll definitely win at least one more. RG I reckon he might get one. AO he'll win a couple more. So maybe 11 slams max imo. __________________ helloworld - "If Nadal wants to surpass Pete, he will need 34 slams, twice more than Federer to be in the same conversation with Sampras."

01-27-2013, 07:57 AM	#24
West Coast Ace Legend Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 9,359	Too soon to tell. But with Nadal and Fed near the end, Murray not really in his league, he could rip of 3 of 4 for the next 3 years. To those saying he hasn't won enough off hard, if he wins RG this year he could win a bunch of them. Wimbledon is the one he may not win more than 1. He could easily end up just below the Fed, Laver, Sampras Big 3. __________________ "I jump in it!" Russian Billionaire, DirecTV Commercial...

01-27-2013, 08:18 AM	#26
TMF G.O.A.T. Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13,627	Nole still has some work to do. He has been so consistent on all surfaces since 2011...either he's a champion or a runner-up is a testament of domination. I know some people(except many old-timers) will argue for him being in the top 10 greatest of all time. __________________ NadalAgassi: I think Serena's final slam tally will be something from 18-27. My best guess is 24 or 25 though; Nole(2010) will never win Wimbledon

01-27-2013, 08:18 AM	#27
borg number one Legend Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,043	With his great results during the last few years, I'd place him somewhere around 15 or so. In the top 20 ever. __________________ Borg never pointed to himself. He never even seemed to care if anyone read the advertisements. — Tom Callahan

01-27-2013, 08:18 AM	#28
egn Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,513	I rank him below Edberg, Becker, Wilander mostly because I am not putting as much stock anymore in this homogenous surface crap. What guys like Lendl and Mac did to even get to finals on their worst surface was impressive. Borg's impressive three time french-wimby double was unheard of. When McEnroe made that French Open final, the world was shocked, McEnroe was playing the highest level of tennis from him anyone had ever seen, had he won that French Open given his game and play style and that surface it would have been impressive. Lendl had to reinvent himself and did so to attempt to complete his box set to win Wimbledon. He sacrificed French Open wins just to get that wimbledon. Today you can win all 4 majors playing the same play style. He's right behind Becker on my list, Wilander, Edberg, Becker then Djokovic. __________________ =]