two 4.5s play a tiebreak against a current ATP pro...what's the score?

[tennis_badger]

bumping this...will this be in 3D??

[Fuji]

Originally Posted by AsaHartz

I am a 4.5 who routinely breaks 125mph on my serve and I am lucky to get a couple of games a set on the former college players I hit with. It's all about focus. If the amateur, even a 5.0, is winning games against a pro, it is because the pro is not taking the match as seriously as he would an ordinary pro match.

I have hit with college players and challenger level players, and as someone said before, it is the weight of shots that is what kills amateurs. I am a very big guy, and I have trouble making solid contact with my ground strokes and volleys are a nightmare with their spin. It really makes me appreciate the beauty of the top pros game because I know how hard it is to play like that.

How are you still a 4.5 if you can hit 125MPH serves??? Most guys I know that play in that range would have a lot of difficulty with that! Just teasing of course!

-Fuji

[goober]

Originally Posted by AsaHartz

I am a 4.5 who routinely breaks 125mph on my serve and I am lucky to get a couple of games a set on the former college players I hit with. It's all about focus. If the amateur, even a 5.0, is winning games against a pro, it is because the pro is not taking the match as seriously as he would an ordinary pro match.

I have hit with college players and challenger level players, and as someone said before, it is the weight of shots that is what kills amateurs. I am a very big guy, and I have trouble making solid contact with my ground strokes and volleys are a nightmare with their spin. It really makes me appreciate the beauty of the top pros game because I know how hard it is to play like that.

I have seen a lot of 4.5 players including ones that won nationals this past year. I have yet to see one that can hit a 125 mph (let alone one that does it routinely). If you really have 125 mph why are you still at 4.5? the rest of your game must be like 4.0? I have seen pro matches where serve speed is posted and some matches have guys that rarely break 125 on their serves.

[Relinquis]

are you sure it isn't 125 kph instead of mph?

[Relinquis]

c'mon guys. give us something.

[goober]

Originally Posted by lucabaldi

Hi all, first post for me (and sorry for my english, I'm from Italy), but this thread got my attention.
Maybe this video can help defining the difference between pro's and (skilled) amateurs.
Italian Eurosport commentator, Federico Ferrero, lefty amateur player with a decent game, I'd say something around a 4.0, plays a 10 point tie-break against Andrey Golubev. It was december 2010, Golubev reached his top-ranking of 33 atp october that year.
The score was 10-1, the only point of Ferrero was a winner (and maybe lucky) half-volley (following his second serve!). But it's not like he couldn't touch the ball during play, he even made a couple of not-so-bad slice returns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pzaq-Xzonc

Hope it's interesting

Interesting, but the amateur looks better than 4.0 to me probably 4.5+. The pro doesn't like he is trying very hard at all.

[woodrow1029]

Originally Posted by AsaHartz

I am a 4.5 who routinely breaks 125mph on my serve and I am lucky to get a couple of games a set on the former college players I hit with. It's all about focus. If the amateur, even a 5.0, is winning games against a pro, it is because the pro is not taking the match as seriously as he would an ordinary pro match.

I have hit with college players and challenger level players, and as someone said before, it is the weight of shots that is what kills amateurs. I am a very big guy, and I have trouble making solid contact with my ground strokes and volleys are a nightmare with their spin. It really makes me appreciate the beauty of the top pros game because I know how hard it is to play like that.

Originally Posted by Fuji

How are you still a 4.5 if you can hit 125MPH serves??? Most guys I know that play in that range would have a lot of difficulty with that! Just teasing of course!

-Fuji

Originally Posted by goober

I have seen a lot of 4.5 players including ones that won nationals this past year. I have yet to see one that can hit a 125 mph (let alone one that does it routinely). If you really have 125 mph why are you still at 4.5? the rest of your game must be like 4.0? I have seen pro matches where serve speed is posted and some matches have guys that rarely break 125 on their serves.

Only a TW 4.5. Real world, who knows.

[thejackal]

Well guys, just got word today that the video is done. It's not 4D, but someone did get hit in the *** cheek (3:03)

*Filip Peliwo vs the 4.5s*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRy77i3BdPQ

[FD3S]

The FF battle theme threw me for a loop, I gotta say.

[Relinquis]

well done

10ATPBeats4.5s

[goober]

Originally Posted by thejackal

Well guys, just got word today that the video is done. It's not 4D, but someone did get hit in the *** cheek (3:03)

*Filip Peliwo vs the 4.5s*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRy77i3BdPQ

Wow suprised those 2 guys got 3 points off him and 2 of them looked like from return of serve errors? How good were these average joes? Would have been nice to have a behind view rather than a side view of the playing and to see full points.

[thejackal]

Originally Posted by goober

Wow suprised those 2 guys got 3 points off him and 2 of them looked like from return of serve errors? How good were these average joes? Would have been nice to have a behind view rather than a side view of the playing and to see full points.

behind view wouldve been tricky. filip was a bit too keen on aiming his warmup overheads at the camera crew to scare them before the tiebreak, so I didnt want to take any chances.

thierry is now a teaching pro (was ranked in the top 50 in Quebec in U1; he doesn't play matches that often anymore but still hits pretty well. I played high school in Norcal, hit often with ranked juniors and do an open tournament once in a while.

the fact that we were two on the same side probably made filip go for more on the return. if he floated one back we probably could have poached and put it away.

Wrote an accompanying article about the video here: http://indecentxposure.com/grind/ef4...bdd0b57377f17/

[Kilco]

7-3 to the pro. Alot of bad predictions from people in this thread!

[spperry]

Doesn't seem like they would win many points.

Andy Murray needed only 51 minutes to beat Laurent Bram 6-0 6-0 6-0 when Great Britain's played Luxembourg.

Bram who quit professional tennis four years before, won only 15 points in the rubber as Murray recorded his first whitewash in a best-of-five-set match.

The guy obviously didn't play as much as when a pro but this shows the huge gulf and how difficult it is just to win a point.