Great advice i got today

[Nostradamus]

YES, send them to Christian school that is serious about its Christian beliefs. that will be best thing you will ever do for them

[TCF]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

Hmm...

Opponent was older...
Opponent was taller...
Opponent was bigger
Opponent had long arms...
Opponent was a pusher...
Opponent was a freak...
Oh, and your player couldn't break through because of the clay and was injured...

Careful TCF... sounds an awful lot like all of the excuses you used to get on Brad about after a loss.

Yawn, I am trying to ignore troll posts like this that pick things out of context and try to ignite arguments that have been left behind months ago.

I was conversing with 2 dads who are trying to teach their kids not to use excuses and keep fighting no matter what. I NEVER said she lost because she was injured, I said I was proud that she did not make a big deal out of a bloody nose.

You ignored the post on the other thread where I said she lost BECAUSE she forgot to move in on the 2nd serve half the time, and became impatient and went for ridiculous and stupid winners that she had no business attempting. I put the BLAME for her loss squarely on me for improper preparation and her for forgetting some of what she had been taught.

Brad's kid was always a foot taller than anyone he ever played. Not even relevant to an 8 year old playing a 12 year old built like a grown women.

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by TCF

Yawn, I am trying to ignore troll posts like this that pick things out of context and try to ignite arguments that have been left behind months ago.

I was conversing with 2 dads who are trying to teach their kids not to use excuses and keep fighting no matter what. I NEVER said she lost because she was injured, I said I was proud that she did not make a big deal out of a bloody nose.

You ignored the post on the other thread where I said she lost BECAUSE she forgot to move in on the 2nd serve half the time, and became impatient and went for ridiculous and stupid winners that she had no business attempting. I put the BLAME for her loss squarely on me for improper preparation and her for forgetting some of what she had been taught.

Brad's kid was always a foot taller than anyone he ever played. Not even relevant to an 8 year old playing a 12 year old built like a grown women.

Ha, I'm a troll after all these years?!? I'm not trying to get into anything with you, just keeping you in check on justifying losses (see bold) now that it's your kid playing.

[Chemist]

It doesn't bother me a bit that TCF was using the difference of the age and size as an excuse for his daughter's loss. 99.9999% of 8 yr olders would cry if their nose is bleeding. 99.999% of 8 yr olders have never picked up a tennis racket. If they have, 99.99% of these 8 yr olders would be hitting foamed balls or balls with a color dot. 99.9% of these 8 yr old tennis players have not played a real match. If they have, 99% of them would be playing Quickstart...

We have so many parents on this board with kids having extraordinary abilities and potential to play US Open or to play college tennis. I just hope all of us provide support to each other and share our experience how to become a better tennis-parent, a better tennis coach, and a better tennis player!

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Chemist

It doesn't bother me a bit that TCF was using the difference of the age and size as an excuse for his daughter's loss. 99.9999% of 8 yr olders would cry if their nose is bleeding. 99.999% of 8 yr olders have never picked up a tennis racket. If they have, 99.99% of these 8 yr olders would be hitting foamed balls or balls with a color dot. 99.9% of these 8 yr old tennis players have not played a real match. If they have, 99% of them would be playing Quickstart...

We have so many parents on this board with kids having extraordinary abilities and potential to play US Open or to play college tennis. I just hope all of us provide support to each other and share our experience how to become a better tennis-parent, a better tennis coach, and a better tennis player!

I get it. I have a kid who plays up. But TCF devoted a lot of thread time to arguing against these very things as excuses. Look it up. It changes the game when it's your kid playing. Now they are not excuses.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

Hmm...

Opponent was older...
Opponent was taller...
Opponent was bigger
Opponent had long arms...
Opponent was a pusher...
Opponent was a freak...
Oh, and your player couldn't break through because of the clay and was injured...

Careful TCF... sounds an awful lot like all of the excuses you used to get on Brad about after a loss.

Chuckle of the day so far!

Has anyone wondered where all the parents of older, taller, bigger, longer armed, pushing freaks who are never injured and have mastered clay go for message board information and entertainment? Not here, apparently.

C'mon, we know you are out there. How 'bout posting up?

[TennisCoachIN]

The point of this thread I believe is that in the 10's & 12's you are going to see alot of ugly tennis and if you have younger children like myself, TCF & gatennis, you just need to stick to the game plan (long term development) and not worry about wins and loses.

IMO, for this board to serve its purpose, who cares what someone else has said in the past, let's move forward with great advice that will give all of our children a better chance at succeeding in this game.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

I get it. I have a kid who plays up. But TCF devoted a lot of thread time to arguing against these very things as excuses. Look it up. It changes the game when it's your kid playing. Now they are not excuses.

Haha, sometimes we just wanted to have some fun teasing others or getting teased

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by TennisCoachIN

The point of this thread I believe is that in the 10's & 12's you are going to see alot of ugly tennis and if you have younger children like myself, TCF & gatennis, you just need to stick to the game plan (long term development) and not worry about wins and loses.

IMO, for this board to serve its purpose, who cares what someone else has said in the past, let's move forward with great advice that will give all of our children a better chance at succeeding in this game.

Agree!

I wish I knew about this board 4-5 years ago. I could have learned so much more from those who have done it that would surely benefit my son's tennis development.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by TennisCoachIN

The point of this thread I believe is that in the 10's & 12's you are going to see alot of ugly tennis and if you have younger children like myself, TCF & gatennis, you just need to stick to the game plan (long term development) and not worry about wins and loses.

IMO, for this board to serve its purpose, who cares what someone else has said in the past, let's move forward with great advice that will give all of our children a better chance at succeeding in this game.

Focus on strokes and movement , TCF "Vaseline" inside her nose the night before matches , DB suffered nose bleeds when he was young , coat his nose night before and morning of ,

As for the fresh road your on an the pushers you will encounter we use to run them corner to corner now were trying to drive up the middle , it's a habit you want to start early a couple recent losses were resorting back to the corners in the heat of the battle . Best of luck

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

I get it. I have a kid who plays up. But TCF devoted a lot of thread time to arguing against these very things as excuses. Look it up. It changes the game when it's your kid playing. Now they are not excuses.

TCF is gonna get the real definition of development , so I wish his daughter the best and hope her road is a lot smoother then ours , he will see times when his girl is sore,tired, blisters, ect. stuff that will cause losses to players of a lower level an only he will know but the whole tennis world will think what they will think and say , The fun has begun !

You don't need to say much time will , be supportive if anything it one thing America needs to get back to starting here !

[BMC9670]

Ok, I'll stop poking. For those of you who have been around a while, TCF knows I'm not being malicious.

I'll add a funny anecdote. As I said, my son plays up (10 playing 12) and recently played a match against another 10YO in a tourney. Now, my son is tall and after this match, which he won, several parents and the official praised his opponent, who is a friend and training partner, for having a great game for a 10 year old. As we walk off, my son says "obviously they don't know I'm a month younger than him."

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Focus on strokes and movement , TCF "Vaseline" inside her nose the night before matches , DB suffered nose bleeds when he was young , coat his nose night before and morning of ,

As for the fresh road your on an the pushers you will encounter we use to run them corner to corner now were trying to drive up the middle , it's a habit you want to start early a couple recent losses were resorting back to the corners in the heat of the battle . Best of luck

Driving up to the middle of the court? This is really interesting and I will ask my son to try it. So, we want to show a pusher that we are willing to out push him/her and force him/her to play more aggressively and reduce our errors? My son likes to use the net to beat pushers, hitting good approach shots and finish the points at the net or use a low and short ball to pull a pusher to the net and then pass or lob him.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Driving up to the middle of the court? This is really interesting and I will ask my son to try it. So, we want to show a pusher that we are willing to out push him/her and force him/her to play more aggressively and reduce our errors? My son likes to use the net to beat pushers, hitting good approach shots and finish the points at the net or use a low and short ball to pull a pusher to the net and then pass or lob him.

Keep attacking the net best thing to do but I am saying don't get in a habit of running him corner to corner to beat them , they only get faster as they get older , we just lost a match to a guy down in mex , 1st set other guy 2nd we hit up the middle think 62 quick then lose 75 in 3rd running the guy , fell back into a trap I wish we had cleared up when he was 12 .

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Keep attacking the net best thing to do but I am saying don't get in a habit of running him corner to corner to beat them , they only get faster as they get older , we just lost a match to a guy down in mex , 1st set other guy 2nd we hit up the middle think 62 quick then lose 75 in 3rd running the guy , fell back into a trap I wish we had cleared up when he was 12 .

Previously we thought that hitting hard and deep to the middle would only work well against power hitters who can hit big cross court and down the line.

Thanks for the tip!

[TCF]

No BMC, you do not "get it" because it is obvious you totally missed the point. 2 totally different types of posts.

Post type 1 includes a parent who constantly mentions his player being top ranked in the 12s and 14s. Constantly used excuses as to why the player lost....injuries, sickness, death in family, older kid, pusher, etc.

Then came my posts....type # 2. A conversation with GAtennis and another dad. The conversation includes frustration about trying to develop a player in the USTAs where many kids and parents are simply trying to win now.

3 girls at the tournament have goals of high level tennis. They were trying to play a total, mini pro style game. They tried to set up points, use strategy, set up winners. They never went soft and started bunting even when losing.

They ran into a very tall, long armed girl whose parents sat courtside cheering her every breath. She had no intention of playing tennis, no thoughts of long term development, she was there to win each point with bunted strokes, then celebrate when she won the plastic trophy with her parents as if it was the Open.

Like GA has been many times, I was frustrated, as were the other parents. Why? NOT CAUSE THEY LOST. We could care less about a plastic trophy. It was boring to watch and does not help anyone when one girl bunts balls back over and over. We all know that she will be long gone by the 16s.

So we then move on to trying to get something for the money and time we spent at that tournament. I took home some positives.....she toughed it out, she never gave up, she set up some nice points, she never went passive, she was not scared to lose.

I never once used an excuse like that other poster has. I merely stated what happened in terms of the development plan, nothing to due with wins and losses which are meaningless to GA and I right now.

As far as reasons for the loss, I was clear. My player and I need to prepare better to counter players like that. Simple as that. I put zero importance even if she finished 1st instead of 2nd in a G12s and G14s. Totally meaningless, thus no need to make excuses.

None were made. Simply a discussion with other dads about how frustrating it can be when trying to develop a player in the 12s when so many girls have no interest in actually developing their games and are just there to win at all costs, even if those tactics will dead end very soon.

When we play within our group there is an honor system that the girls play for real, play games like they will when they are older. Plenty of room for drop shots, slices, a few moonballs when needed. But just bunting balls back because you are so tall...every ball, never fully swinging at even one ball? That is nothing they will see in the WTA and thus it was a waste of our time to play against. These tournaments are too expensive to waste time playing girls with no interest in tennis, who are just there for the 12s trophy for mom and dad.

[arche3]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Keep attacking the net best thing to do but I am saying don't get in a habit of running him corner to corner to beat them , they only get faster as they get older , we just lost a match to a guy down in mex , 1st set other guy 2nd we hit up the middle think 62 quick then lose 75 in 3rd running the guy , fell back into a trap I wish we had cleared up when he was 12 .

Does this dtm method force errors from blocker pusher types?

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by TCF

No BMC, you do not "get it" because it is obvious you totally missed the point. 2 totally different types of posts.

Post type 1 includes a parent who constantly mentions his player being top ranked in the 12s and 14s. Constantly used excuses as to why the player lost....injuries, sickness, death in family, older kid, pusher, etc.

Then came my posts....type # 2. A conversation with GAtennis and another dad. The conversation includes frustration about trying to develop a player in the USTAs where many kids and parents are simply trying to win now.

3 girls at the tournament have goals of high level tennis. They were trying to play a total, mini pro style game. They tried to set up points, use strategy, set up winners. They never went soft and started bunting even when losing.

They ran into a very tall, long armed girl whose parents sat courtside cheering her every breath. She had no intention of playing tennis, no thoughts of long term development, she was there to win each point with bunted strokes, then celebrate when she won the plastic trophy with her parents as if it was the Open.

Like GA has been many times, I was frustrated, as were the other parents. Why? NOT CAUSE THEY LOST. We could care less about a plastic trophy. It was boring to watch and does not help anyone when one girl bunts balls back over and over. We all know that she will be long gone by the 16s.

So we then move on to trying to get something for the money and time we spent at that tournament. I took home some positives.....she toughed it out, she never gave up, she set up some nice points, she never went passive, she was not scared to lose.

I never once used an excuse like that other poster has. I merely stated what happened in terms of the development plan, nothing to due with wins and losses which are meaningless to GA and I right now.

As far as reasons for the loss, I was clear. My player and I need to prepare better to counter players like that. Simple as that. I put zero importance even if she finished 1st instead of 2nd in a G12s and G14s. Totally meaningless, thus no need to make excuses.

None were made. Simply a discussion with other dads about how frustrating it can be when trying to develop a player in the 12s when so many girls have no interest in actually developing their games and are just there to win at all costs, even if those tactics will dead end very soon.

When we play within our group there is an honor system that the girls play for real, play games like they will when they are older. Plenty of room for drop shots, slices, a few moonballs when needed. But just bunting balls back because you are so tall...every ball, never fully swinging at even one ball? That is nothing they will see in the WTA and thus it was a waste of our time to play against. These tournaments are too expensive to waste time playing girls with no interest in tennis, who are just there for the 12s trophy for mom and dad.

Maybe you should go back and ready some of your old posts. You have a path, just like the other poster did. Great. Stick to it and talk about your player. Which you did. Good. Just leave out bashing the one who beat her: strokes will dead end, pusher, freak, parents doing the wrong thing, etc. Those are justifications and excuses, no way around it. Just leave it out. That's what you used to say when you had the point of view of not having a player on the court.

[GRANITECHIEF]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Keep attacking the net best thing to do but I am saying don't get in a habit of running him corner to corner to beat them , they only get faster as they get older , we just lost a match to a guy down in mex , 1st set other guy 2nd we hit up the middle think 62 quick then lose 75 in 3rd running the guy , fell back into a trap I wish we had cleared up when he was 12 .

So close to getting that 1st point. How is the ball kid?

[TCF]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

Maybe you should go back and ready some of your old posts. You have a path, just like the other poster did. Great. Stick to it and talk about your player. Which you did. Good. Just leave out bashing the one who beat her: strokes will dead end, pusher, freak, parents doing the wrong thing, etc. Those are justifications and excuses, no way around it. Just leave it out. That's what you used to say when you had the point of view of not having a player on the court.

You are now just being silly and not admitting you are wrong. The posts you picked apart are part of a CONVERSATION with GA about trying to develop our players. Nothing to do with wins or losses.

I mention the bloody nose in a conversation with him about toughing things out....you pull it out saying it was an excuse....when no reference was made to wins or losses.

The conversation is about player development, and how it can be a waste to play tournaments in the 12s....which GA already warned me about. This THREAD is about just that, go read the OP again!!

I tossed away good money and time for nothing last weekend...thats what stinks, that is what is frustrating. She loses practice matches all the time, she will lose a ton more in tournaments. Who cares? The entire conversation about playing a extreme pusher has nothing to do with wins or loses, only to do with the frustration of wasting money and not helping the player by playing G12s.

The other poster was into wins and loses in the 12s and would tout each win and excuse each loss. If you can not see that is the opposite of GA and I, who could care less about the 12s-14s, not much I can do to help you there.