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[RollTrackTake]

Originally Posted by JackB1

Why not remove the 10g buttcap to make your P1 more maneuverable? ANY added weight anywhere (even the handle) increases swingweight.

Did you try the 200G with a powerful multi? Lots of pop.

the 10g buttcap doesn't change the swingweight very much according to the customization tool. maybe 1 or 2 pts tops. I had poly mains/synthetic crosses in the Dunlop at 55lbs. should have tried a full multi. When they get marked down maybe the Prestige S and Bio 200G get revisited.

[TfReAk]

I'm planning to demo the Yonex vcore 97 310 also. I have the same 'problem' with the donnay p1. Currently playing with a slightly customized MG Rad mp. Love the racket but I'm missing some spin and pop on my serves. I'm hoping that the Vcore has the same 'whipping' feel, but performes better on the serve.

[JackB1]

on a related note.....has anyone with a Prestige S found a string setup that worked with good power? There are many comments about how "string sensitive" this racquet is and I think finding the right string setup is the key to enjoying this racquet.

[PED]

Low tension poly works excellently.

Tour bite 16L at 43/42 offers power and control but this stick is never going to have the power of a tweener.

[ChicagoJack]

Originally Posted by JackB1

Why not remove the 10g buttcap to make your P1 more maneuverable? ANY added weight anywhere (even the handle) increases swingweight.

Hi Jack -

Uhm, that's not quite correct. I do kind of get what you are implying tho ... added weight anywhere can be felt in a real tennis stroke out on the court. But the term "Swingweight" has a very precisely defined meaning, method of measurement, and has very little to do with a real tennis stroke.

It is determined by measuring the moment of inertia around a 10cm axis. That's fancy talk for it is clamped into the RDC machine and rotates around an axis at exactly 4 inches. Therefore, weight at exactly 4" or below 4" makes no dif with regards to measurable sw. You'd have to add quite a bit of lead (something equivalent to the weight of 3-4 leather grips) in the remaining 4-7 inches of the palette to register even a single blip in sw on an RDC testing device.

On the other hand, tail weighting, right at the buttcap, acts as a counter balance to the tip weight, and it makes the tip of the racquet easier to control. That's exactly why I've got all my Pro Ones tail weighted to -12 points, and the SW has not changed one iota. The tail weighting, (as well as my flared buttcap for added leverage) really helps me to control the racquet face during the latter stages of my semi western 1HBH, and volleys. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but adding the 5 or 10 gram buttcap ( 6-8 ponts HL) to a P1 isn't going to help much. You need to get into the + 25 grams, and minus 11 or 12 point range before it gets easier to control.


-Jack

[JackB1]

Originally Posted by ChicagoJack

Hi Jack -

Uhm, that's not quite correct. I do kind of get what you are implying tho ... added weight anywhere makes the racquet more difficult to swing, in a real tennis stroke out on the court. But the term "Swingweight" has a very precisely defined meaning, method of measurement, and has very little to do with a real tennis stroke.

It is determined by measuring the moment of inertia around a 10cm axis. That's fancy talk for it is clamped into the RDC machine and rotates around an axis at exactly 4 inches. Therefore, weight at exactly 4" or below 4" makes no dif with regards to measurable sw. You'd have to add quite a bit of lead (something equivalent to the weight of 3-4 leather grips) in the remaining 4-7 inches of the palette to register even a single blip in sw on an RDC testing device.

On the other hand, tail weighting, right at the buttcap, acts as a counter balance to the tip weight, and it makes the tip of the racquet easier to control. That's exactly why I've got all my Pro Ones tail weighted to -12 points, and the SW has not changed one iota. The tail weighting, (as well as my flared buttcap for added leverage) really helps me to control the racquet face during the latter stages of my semi western 1HBH.

-Jack

Thanks Jack for that info.

BTW...I tried getting a Pro 1 directly from Donnay that was on spec or lower for weight and balance and they couldn't do it. Isn't that crazy?

[ChicagoJack]

Originally Posted by JackB1

Thanks Jack for that info.

BTW...I tried getting a Pro 1 directly from Donnay that was on spec or lower for weight and balance and they couldn't do it. Isn't that crazy?

LOL, no surprise at all. As I've said many times, the Donnay website specs are 100% pure fiction. And I know they know it too. The real P1's are stiffer, much higher balance, and much higher SW. Forget about getting a Pro one that is under the 318 sw spec. Try to buy just one that is 318. They cannot sell it to you, because it is a mythical creature of fiction, same as a P1 with a sticker flex of 64 is a mythical creature. I love the P1 more than any other frame I've ever hit with by a factor of 10. But jeeze louise the specs thing is real burr my saddle!

I do have a possible solution in mind. The top bumper weighs 9 grams. I'm estimating than I can get that down to about 6 grams If I drill it out. - 3 grams at the tip will drop the SW considerably. I've got six grommet sets here to play with, will be experimenting as time allows.

-Other Jack

[JackB1]

Originally Posted by ChicagoJack

LOL, no surprise at all. As I've said many times, the Donnay website specs are 100% pure fiction. And I know they know it too. The real P1's are stiffer, much higher balance, and much higher SW. Forget about getting a Pro one that is under the 318 sw spec. Try to buy just one that is 318. They cannot sell it to you, because it is a mythical creature of fiction, same as a P1 with a sticker flex of 64 is a mythical creature. I love the P1 more than any other frame I've ever hit with by a factor of 10. But jeeze louise the specs thing is real burr my saddle!

I do have a possible solution in mind. The top bumper weighs 9 grams. I'm estimating than I can get that down to about 6 grams If I drill it out. - 3 grams at the tip will drop the SW considerably. I've got six grommet sets here to play with, will be experimenting as time allows.

-Other Jack

What do you think their motivation is for publishing specs that are lower than actual?

[ChicagoJack]

^^^ Jack, I will answer in the Pro One Thread, dont want to get to far off topic from the Prestige S chit chat