Great advice i got today

[TCF]

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[BMC9670]

Ok, TCF... stopping now. Don't think either of us is way off and I want to keep it all good with you. Good luck in the next tourney.

[TCF]

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[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by TCF

Not playing any more tournaments for a while. She has a growing group of kids interested in developing long term games. They meet most every night and have some great battles.

She did one recreational tournament and 2 USTA G12s. Won 2 of them, reached finals of the other. I learned all I needed to learn....she will compete, the pressure some people kept saying is so big a deal compared to intense practice matches is a myth, pressure can be imitated in many settings.

I also learned USTA rankings for the G12s are a joke. Besides a few players, most of the girls are brutally bad.

In short, these tournaments are a huge waste of time and money at this stage of the game.

I hear you. After some time in our new surroundings, we are starting to find some good partners to get together with. I have 2 of his training friends join us some weekends and run on a clinic for them. No cost to anyone and gives my son some good live ball competitive drills. All L6 tournaments here are green ball, so we do mainly the non-sanctioned events and the occasional L5/L4. Works out to 1 or 2 per month.

[ga tennis]

Originally Posted by TCF

Not playing any more tournaments for a while. She has a growing group of kids interested in developing long term games. They meet most every night and have some great battles.

She did one recreational tournament and 2 USTA G12s. Won 2 of them, reached finals of the other. I learned all I needed to learn....she will compete, the pressure some people kept saying is so big a deal compared to intense practice matches is a myth, pressure can be imitated in many settings.

I also learned USTA rankings for the G12s are a joke. Besides a few players, most of the girls are brutally bad.

In short, these tournaments are a huge waste of time and money at this stage of the game.

KEEP HER IN TOURNAMENTS T.C.F!!!! Just hold her accountable to doing it right!!!! They learn sooooo much from these tournaments.. Dont be like me and get into the social comparisons and stress about how this player can beat your girl with terrible strokes. She needs the tournaments!!!!!! I have done it both ways. I kept my baby out of tournaments for a year and she fell behind. I would put her in a tournament EVERY weekend if i was you....Now we are playing tournaments as often as i can afford and its starting to pay off. JUST DEPERSONALIZE THE PROCESS!!!!!! Just make sure she is sticking to the plan and the game you want her to play will develop.... She needs the tournaments...

[Bash and Crash]

Originally Posted by ga tennis

KEEP HER IN TOURNAMENTS T.C.F!!!! Just hold her accountable to doing it right!!!! They learn sooooo much from these tournaments.. Dont be like me and get into the social comparisons and stress about how this player can beat your girl with terrible strokes. She needs the tournaments!!!!!! I have done it both ways. I kept my baby out of tournaments for a year and she fell behind. I would put her in a tournament EVERY weekend if i was you....Now we are playing tournaments as often as i can afford and its starting to pay off. JUST DEPERSONALIZE THE PROCESS!!!!!! Just make sure she is sticking to the plan and the game you want her to play will develop.... She needs the tournaments...

Tournament every week for an 8 yr old? How about one a month and TCF hosts an in house tourney with his burgeoning group of girls. Get about 8-12 girls to battle it out on Saturdays, short pro sets, and he or parents/coaches can pop in and provide instruction throughout, help the kids with strategy, emotions, etc. Seen this work well, and it is cost effective, keeps them sharp, creates a great tournament support group.

[ga tennis]

Originally Posted by Bash and Crash

Tournament every week for an 8 yr old? How about one a month and TCF hosts an in house tourney with his burgeoning group of girls. Get about 8-12 girls to battle it out on Saturdays, short pro sets, and he or parents/coaches can pop in and provide instruction throughout, help the kids with strategy, emotions, etc. Seen this work well, and it is cost effective, keeps them sharp, creates a great tournament support group.

Oh yea forgot shes 8. Every other weekend.

[Bash and Crash]

Originally Posted by ga tennis

Oh yea forgot shes 8. Every other weekend.

Granted not your typical 8 yr old tennis player...

[coaching32yrs]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Focus on strokes and movement , TCF "Vaseline" inside her nose the night before matches , DB suffered nose bleeds when he was young , coat his nose night before and morning of ,

As for the fresh road your on an the pushers you will encounter we use to run them corner to corner now were trying to drive up the middle , it's a habit you want to start early a couple recent losses were resorting back to the corners in the heat of the battle . Best of luck

I know a lot of coaches like the deep down the middle play. I am not a big fan. There are times you have to go deep down the middle to take away the opponent's angle on the next ball. However, making the opponent move will create more errors. And when your player creates an angle on his hit he has more court to work with and makes fewer errors. I'd be interested to hear what the experts on this Board say about the deep down the middle hit at the highest levels of juniors and Futures.

[ga tennis]

Originally Posted by coaching32yrs

I know a lot of coaches like the deep down the middle play. I am not a big fan. There are times you have to go deep down the middle to take away the opponent's angle on the next ball. However, making the opponent move will create more errors. And when your player creates an angle on his hit he has more court to work with and makes fewer errors. I'd be interested to hear what the experts on this Board say about the deep down the middle hit at the highest levels of juniors and Futures.

On returns good play. Im no expert.

[sundaypunch]

Originally Posted by TCF

I tossed away good money and time for nothing last weekend...thats what stinks, that is what is frustrating. She loses practice matches all the time, she will lose a ton more in tournaments. Who cares? The entire conversation about playing a extreme pusher has nothing to do with wins or loses, only to do with the frustration of wasting money and not helping the player by playing G12s.

It's not a waste of money when you lose. It opens your eyes to a type of player that you don't have the tools to beat. You will encounter pushers at age 8, 12, 18, etc. No, you don't want to play them all the time. You can't avoid them and will need to figure out a way to win when someone bunts the ball back.

[TCF]

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[TCF]

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[andfor]

Originally Posted by TCF

Ga...you said you are in a small town with few players so I get you need her to play them. We have the luxury of more practice partners.

Makes no sense for us to pay money, drive to play at 9:30 am, wait for 2nd match, drive home, wait for next day, sit around, wait for next match, play mediocre girl after mediocre girl.....when we can get better work outs 2 minutes away at the center.

Play her up in the 14's then.

[Pro_Tour_630]

lately my son has been losing to a pusher he once used to beat, it is ugly, i would have quit tennis and never touched a racquet if i were him, but he still puts up a fight, very proud of him.

guys it is not about the win but about how you pick yourself up and fight another battle, my 10 year old son has more courage in his toe than my whole 46 years of living.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by TCF

Ga...you said you are in a small town with few players so I get you need her to play them. We have the luxury of more practice partners.

Makes no sense for us to pay money, drive to play at 9:30 am, wait for 2nd match, drive home, wait for next day, sit around, wait for next match, play mediocre girl after mediocre girl.....when we can get better work outs 2 minutes away at the center.

TCF, You have a very special and talented 8 yr old. If she doesn't complain about playing tournaments and enjoys collecting plastic trophies, you should let (or even encourage) her play. I would sign her up for another tournament this big pusher is to play to have a rematch. BTW, you may want to search for applicants and check Tennisrecruiting.net to see if any high ranked 11-12 year olders are to play. Many blue chippers and 5 stars play local tournaments in Florida. You may have to drive a couple of hours... She will get to play quality players, including a few better pushers than the one she played last weekend. Players are stronger surely for higher level tournaments. As many posters suggested, our kid can learn so much more from tournament matches than match plays.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

Maybe you should go back and ready some of your old posts. You have a path, just like the other poster did. Great. Stick to it and talk about your player. Which you did. Good. Just leave out bashing the one who beat her: strokes will dead end, pusher, freak, parents doing the wrong thing, etc. Those are justifications and excuses, no way around it. Just leave it out. That's what you used to say when you had the point of view of not having a player on the court.

Wow absolutley blind or as most call it hypocricy , you are right his girl is running into pushers , so did we , his girl will play injured and win and lose , we did ! but the great part is , he is not using the excuses he is using LOL , way to funny , I am gonna sit back and just laugh . Thanx for pointing it out if I did It would look like sour grapes .

TCF your already using excuses how many tourneys in are you ?

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by andfor

Play her up in the 14's then.

How about accumulating enough ranking points to play higher level tournaments, sectional L5, L4 and L3 and even national events?

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Chemist

TCF, You have a very special and talented 8 yr old. If she doesn't complain about playing tournaments and enjoys collecting plastic trophies, you should let (or even encourage) her play. I would sign her up for another tournament this big pusher is to play to have a rematch. BTW, you may want to search for applicants and check Tennisrecruiting.net to see if any high ranked 11-12 year olders are to play. Many blue chippers and 5 stars play local tournaments in Florida. You may have to drive a couple of hours... She will get to play quality players, including a few better pushers than the one she played last weekend. Players are stronger surely for higher level tournaments. As many posters suggested, our kid can learn so much more from tournament matches than match plays.

playing her up is smart , like the other poster said he is in a win win situation !!!
My player owned the 10's by 8 and was in control of most the 12's, top 10 by 9 yr of age so will have to see if she gets near that ,, Fl. is comparable to CA

[WoodIndoors]

Originally Posted by TCF

When we play within our group there is an honor system that the girls play for real, play games like they will when they are older.

TCF, could you elaborate that more I'd be interested