Doubles GOAT ?

[pc1]

Guys,

I'm not sure if Rosewall is the singles or doubles GOAT but honestly if he isn't, he isn't that far off.

Lots of great doubles players like McEnroe, Rosewall, Emerson, Newcombe, Hewitt just over the last few decades.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by pc1

Guys,

I'm not sure if Rosewall is the singles or doubles GOAT but honestly if he isn't, he isn't that far off.

Lots of great doubles players like McEnroe, Rosewall, Emerson, Newcombe, Hewitt just over the last few decades.

Thanks, pc1 for this support. Rosewall's number of 24 doubles majors is really impressive. He should be ranked as a GOAT candidate. He won those titles with 7 partners: Hoad, Stolle, Gonzalez, Laver, Ralston, Anderson and Davidson. At Wembley Muscles won seven doubles titles.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Wolbo

+ Haarhuis (54 doubles titles) / Eltingh (44 doubles titles)

that is right.I forgot them.

A great doubles team was also Hlasek-Forget.

On clay, I´d also mention Gildemeister/Gomez and Bertolucci/Panatta and later on, Casal/sanchez

There were guys that succeded with many different partners, but never changed side.Rosewall,Emerson,Stolle,Okker,Fibak,Edmondson ,Jarryd,Fitzegerald,Witskedt,Forget...

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kiki, Yes, the Aussies were awesome in doubles. I even omitted Rosewall/Stolle, Alexander/Dent and Case/Masters.

Loved Rosewall-Stolle.The short guy with the genious brains and the lanky, adaptable, big server and tall Stolle.Great contrast.

The two teams I really would have love to see are Bromwich-Quist and Mc Gregor-Sedgman.

Mervyn Rose and Lewis Hoad were also great with different teammates.

[donnayblack99]

Bryan Bros are now the undisputed GOAT... 13 Majors. Nuff said.

[kiki]

what about ladies?

Many remember the great teams like Navy and Shriver/King, Casals and King/Evert, Stove and Turnbull, Jordan and Smith.I recall also Hingis and Kurnikova as well as the Williamses, the last two great teams.

[hoodjem]

Don't forget the Woodies.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by donnayblack99

Bryan Bros are now the undisputed GOAT... 13 Majors. Nuff said.

Not enough said: Hoad/Rosewall have 15 majors...

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Not enough said: Hoad/Rosewall have 15 majors...

And Hoad/Rosewall only played a few years together.
Hoad spent a lot of time paired with Hartwig, Fraser, Anderson and in 1959 was awsesome with Trabert.

[BobbyOne]

A little correction of one of my posts: Rosewall won doubles majors with eight partners. I forgot Sedgman...

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by kiki

Loved Rosewall-Stolle.The short guy with the genious brains and the lanky, adaptable, big server and tall Stolle.Great contrast.

The two teams I really would have love to see are Bromwich-Quist and Mc Gregor-Sedgman.

Mervyn Rose and Lewis Hoad were also great with different teammates.

kiki, Yes, Stolle was adaptable: He made a great duo with Hewitt, then with Emerson, then with Laver in 1967 as a pro and at last with Rosewall. Four great doubles.

Rose played with Hartwig and Don Candy, Hoad played of course with Rosewall, also with Hartwig and Trabert.

Interesting: Hoad won the French Pro doubles seven times in a row.

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kiki, Yes, Stolle was adaptable: He made a great duo with Hewitt, then with Emerson, then with Laver in 1967 as a pro and at last with Rosewall. Four great doubles.

Rose played with Hartwig and Don Candy, Hoad played of course with Rosewall, also with Hartwig and Trabert.

Interesting: Hoad won the French Pro doubles seven times in a row.

Hoad had good results on clay.
In 1972, in the Italian Open doubles final, Hoad and Frew McMillan led Nastase/Tiriac two sets to love, but eventually lost the match, uncompleted by darkness.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

Hoad had good results on clay.
In 1972, in the Italian Open doubles final, Hoad and Frew McMillan led Nastase/Tiriac two sets to love, but eventually lost the match, uncompleted by darkness.

Dan, Please explain how they lost a match which was uncompleted. No irony intended.

[pc1]

Actually when you think about it Rosewall has the perfect strokes for doubles. His serve was fine but not overpowering but in doubles he could serve and come in with abandon because he's covering half the court. His volley was very strong, among the best in history. He had a super return. His overhead was top notch. He was consistent and almost never off. And like all top doubles players, he knew how to play the angles.

I think McEnroe is clearly the best since the late 1970's and perhaps of all time along with a few others.

[BTURNER]

Originally Posted by kiki

what about ladies?

Many remember the great teams like Navy and Shriver/King, Casals and King/Evert, Stove and Turnbull, Jordan and Smith.I recall also Hingis and Kurnikova as well as the Williamses, the last two great teams.

Lets replace Evert with Gigi Fernandez who won twice as many doubles titles at 69, and

Wiki ...Fernández won a non-calendar year doubles Grand Slam with 17 Grand Slam women's doubles title – six French Open, five US Open, four Wimbledon, and two Australian Open winning at least one Grand Slam title every year from 1988–1997, except 1989, and for three straight years winning three of the four Grand Slam doubles titles in the same year (1992–1994). She won 14 of her 17 Grand Slam titles partnering Natasha Zvereva; their partnership is the second most successful doubles pair in Grand Slam history after Martina Navratilova and Pam Shriver in the Open era.[4]...

Evert won....drumrole please....3.

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Dan, Please explain how they lost a match which was uncompleted. No irony intended.

Hoad and McMillan were upset about the strange on-court antics of Nastase and Tiriac, who managed to disrupt the progress of the match.
At 5 to 3 in the fifth set, darkness was beginning to interfere with the match, so the umpire halted play and declared the Rumanians the winners.
Yes, very strange.
But, the match was in Italy, and the Rumanians were like the home players, the crowd favourites.

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by pc1

Actually when you think about it Rosewall has the perfect strokes for doubles. His serve was fine but not overpowering but in doubles he could serve and come in with abandon because he's covering half the court. His volley was very strong, among the best in history. He had a super return. His overhead was top notch. He was consistent and almost never off. And like all top doubles players, he knew how to play the angles.

I think McEnroe is clearly the best since the late 1970's and perhaps of all time along with a few others.

Frew McMillan, like Laver, rated Hoad's volleys as the best ever, with the minimum of motion, maximum power, sharp angles.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

robow7, We cannot compare a Newcombe-Roche team with Bryan-Bryan because, as you say, nowadays the best players don't play doubles anymore.

The best single players doesn't necessary means they will also be the best players in double. While the Bryan brothers aren't that good in single, but no top singles are going to beat them. It's not just about skills, but good team player, good chemistry, communication. If you insinuating today's double are weak(sigh), you're wrong.

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by TMF

The best single players doesn't necessary means they will also be the best players in double. While the Bryan brothers aren't that good in single, but no top singles are going to beat them. It's not just about skills, but good team player, good chemistry, communication. If you insinuating today's double are weak(sigh), you're wrong.

Team play, chemistry, communication? Sounds like you are referring to Hoad/Rosewall, who won 15 major doubles titles, more than the Bryans.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

Hoad had good results on clay.
In 1972, in the Italian Open doubles final, Hoad and Frew McMillan led Nastase/Tiriac two sets to love, but eventually lost the match, uncompleted by darkness.

Lew&Frew: fantastic mixture of power&finesse
Same as Hoad&Santana.They beat Laver&Gimeno, great line up