Doubles GOAT ?

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kiki, Yes, Stolle was adaptable: He made a great duo with Hewitt, then with Emerson, then with Laver in 1967 as a pro and at last with Rosewall. Four great doubles.

Rose played with Hartwig and Don Candy, Hoad played of course with Rosewall, also with Hartwig and Trabert.

Interesting: Hoad won the French Pro doubles seven times in a row.

What about Fraser? He and Hoad, Cooper or Emmo
Even second class aussies were great:Fletch,Owen and later Marks,Eddo,Case ( one of the finest FH volleys. I saw), Masters ( very talented),Alexander,Dent,greckat Kim Warwick, who ubderachieved big time and solid Fitzgie

[TMF]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

Team play, chemistry, communication? Sounds like you are referring to Hoad/Rosewall, who won 15 major doubles titles, more than the Bryans.

The Bryans brother won a record 13 grand slam titles.

Bryans win record 13th Slam title

[kiki]

Originally Posted by pc1

Actually when you think about it Rosewall has the perfect strokes for doubles. His serve was fine but not overpowering but in doubles he could serve and come in with abandon because he's covering half the court. His volley was very strong, among the best in history. He had a super return. His overhead was top notch. He was consistent and almost never off. And like all top doubles players, he knew how to play the angles.

I think McEnroe is clearly the best since the late 1970's and perhaps of all time along with a few others.

Rosewall bh return at the oncoming guy's feet were half point won
See that a lot
Stolle would just put the volley away

[kiki]

Never forget underrated McNamacs:
A team able to beat Mac&Flambo twice at a Wimbledon final is an all time great
Just behind the two americans for the whole 80
Unfortunately Edberg and Jarryd ( HI SusanDK) did not play long time
They were the perfect team and their peak would have been unreal

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by TMF

The Bryans brother won a record 13 grand slam titles.

Bryans win record 13th Slam title

15 for Hoad/Rosewall.
Isn't 15 greater than 13?

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by BTURNER

Brough and Dupont, Court and _____, Navratilova and Shriver,

King & Casals
Gigi Fernandez & Natasha Zvereva
The Williams (mainly because of the massive stroke some will have if they don't get mentioned)

They should be on the list as well

[pc1]

Originally Posted by boredone3456

King & Casals
Gigi Fernandez & Natasha Zvereva
The Williams (mainly because of the massive stroke some will have if they don't get mentioned)

They should be on the list as well

Court and Wade were pretty good.

[kiki]

Hingis,Davenport,Kurni
AMO Martina won a lot with differen partners

[TMF]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

15 for Hoad/Rosewall.
Isn't 15 greater than 13?

You're comparing apples to oranges. Hoad/Rosewall did not win 15 grand slam doubles, but the B Brothers won 13(that's the record).

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by TMF

You're comparing apples to oranges. Hoad/Rosewall did not win 15 grand slam doubles, but the B Brothers won 13(that's the record).

TMF, you obviously do not consider pro majors to be major tournaments.
This is a highly debatable position you have chosen to take.
Probably not a sensible one.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

TMF, you obviously do not consider pro majors to be major tournaments.
This is a highly debatable position you have chosen to take.
Probably not a sensible one.

If the pro majors is equal to the modern slams, then they woudn't say anything about the B. Brothers set the new record. I'm sorry but their name are in the record book, not Hoad/Rosewall.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by TMF

If the pro majors is equal to the modern slams, then they woudn't say anything about the B. Brothers set the new record. I'm sorry but their name are in the record book, not Hoad/Rosewall.

Did you ever consider the remotest possibility that since players in the past were regular doubles players that there is a chance they could be better than the doubles specialists of today?

Frankly I like the Bryan Brothers but I'm truly curious why you're battling so hard for the present day player again in this case.

What do you think of John McEnroe as a doubles player?

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by TMF

If the pro majors is equal to the modern slams, then they woudn't say anything about the B. Brothers set the new record. I'm sorry but their name are in the record book, not Hoad/Rosewall.

Yes, "they" would, because "their" record book includes the old amateur majors, but not the pro majors.
That is, Laver supposedly won only four, not five, Wimbledons, although the field he beat in 1967 was superior to the 1961-62 fields.
Hoad was used in ads in the late fifties with a description of his winning the Forest Hills Pro event, not his Wimbledon accomplishments. There was no doubt in his mind that this was more significant than winning the amateur Wimbledon.
Sometimes realities transcend the official world.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by TMF

If the pro majors is equal to the modern slams, then they woudn't say anything about the B. Brothers set the new record. I'm sorry but their name are in the record book, not Hoad/Rosewall.

TMF, Where is the logic left? You can't cut off the whole history.

[robow7]

Originally Posted by pc1

What do you think of John McEnroe as a doubles player?

I saw him play dubs several times and in my opinion, never a better doubles player in any era, he just didn't play long enough with Fleming, or any other partner for that matter, to rate as the best doubles team.

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by pc1

Court and Wade were pretty good.

Court had several successful partnerships during her career, although none were very long term. Wade was good..and she had success with Dalton and Bowery as well. If I had to pick which of all the partnerships was strongest I would probably go with her and Wade...although Dalton is not a bad choice.

Funny though in this instance only the Williams factor in in my mind in this discussion for the last decade or so. As much as I like Lisa Raymond/Sam Stosur and respect Huber/Black....they don't come close at all in my mind

I think doubles today suffers largely in the sense very few partnerships in the last year have lasted more then like..2 years. I mean how many partners has Lisa Raymond had, for instance. No one really seems be able to make it last...although Raymond/Stosur, Black/Huber and Ruano Pascal/Suarez do stand out a little.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

TMF, Where is the logic left? You can't cut off the whole history.

Well TMF NEVER gives any credit to players of the past, even as recent as perhaps 25 years ago. McEnroe to his great credit for example won his last doubles tournament as last as 2006. That's not long ago. Federer was actually number one then.

[forzamilan90]

Well look when the media says it like this why do you have to go after TMF?
http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus13/stor...-doubles-title

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by pc1

Well TMF NEVER gives any credit to players of the past, even as recent as perhaps 25 years ago. McEnroe to his great credit for example won his last doubles tournament as last as 2006. That's not long ago. Federer was actually number one then.

Originally Posted by forzamilan90

Well look when the media says it like this why do you have to go after TMF?
http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus13/stor...-doubles-title

Really everyone, relax. It is pretty obvious that when the media talks about these records they are referring to open era records. Surely everyone knows that by know and has come to accept that it is difficult to compare records set before and after the onset of the open era.

The more I read through these topics with TMF, the more I realize that this might be one clever guy. He makes a few posts and half the members are fuming mad and calling on the mods to delete their own threads!

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

Really everyone, relax. It is pretty obvious that when the media talks about these records they are referring to open era records. Surely everyone knows that by know and has come to accept that it is difficult to compare records set before and after the onset of the open era.

The more I read through these topics with TMF, the more I realize that this might be one clever guy. He makes a few posts and half the members are fuming mad and calling on the mods to delete their own threads!

NadalDramaQueen,

Truth is much easier. You overrate TMF who underrates tennis history. He is just on the level of Tennis Channel. That's all.