What more proof do we need that Nole is doping!

[Gru]

3 out of top 10 tennis players are losing hair. They are in mid 20's. Their hair loss symptoms are almost exactly the same. That is not over generalization nor speculation, it is a fact.

Now think about your collage friends and tell me if 30% of them were balding.

Google steroids and thinning hair / balding and read the forums about what people who are taking them to be buff (as they are losers) are saying.

Again, I am not sure if Fed / Novak / others are doing it, but for some guys it showing way to much..

[Elite]

This thread is hilarious because so many people are taking it literally.

[Gru]

Just realized something. Roddick is a good example of someone losing hair normally and naturally. The 3 that I mentioned before are doping.

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by Gru

I doubt fed or djokovic are doing something illegal. However those players whose hair is thinning and falling off are suspicious imo. Some players that this sudden hair loss /thinning is happening to: Nadal, Murray, Gasquet.

All 3 of then are getting male pattern baldness (top of the head), and some really weird looking thin hair. Pay attention to that when cameras are zooming in. It can be a sign of doping.. they are not 45.

I do not see anything on the "outside" for Fed or Djokovic that would suggest steroids.. one can even argue that they are on the skinny side, with no abnormally developed muscles - look at Berdych's and Murray's legs and Nadal's "guns"?

Being an "elegant" mover (very relaxed), allows Federer to be what he is, and nothing tells me that he has some extra strength.

For Novak, it is his overall low body weight (he doesn't have to carry 200 pounds as Murray) that allows him to move fast and stay fresh after 5 hours, and flexibility (doping will not help with being flexible) that allows him to be so successful. There is no doubt that Djokovic is also very fit, but it is not in a way that looks suspicious to me. When he rips his shirt off, he looks like a very fit scrawny guy. What I mean is he doesn't have broad shoulders like Tsonga, nor does he have legs like Berdych, nor arms like Serena / Stosur.

His ability to play 5 hours matches is remarkable, but it is something he sucked at in early days of his career and is most likely what he works most on currently. Coupled with what I mentioned above, doesn't look strange to me at all.

Just my 2 billion cents.

The baldness thing is a point but some people just go bald early. I've met people who were almost bald in their mid 20s.It happens.

Also Djokovic didn't actually suck at playing 5 hour matches early in his career, that's a popular misconception built on the back of 2 or 3 matches, allof which not particulary long. Djokovic had several long matches like a 5th set tiebreak with Stepenek in New York in 2007, several long Wimbledon matches in 2007 (3 hours, 4 hours and 5 hours in consecutive matches) Even in 2005 he had an epic first round at the US open vs Monfils and another match that year at Wimbledon where he came back from 2 sets down.One of the early criticisms of him was that he made winning matches too hard and he should be more clinical like Federer. People totally forget this now, but Djokovic was seen as a player that too often needed 4 or 5 sets to win. It was mainly Djokovic retiring vs Roddick as defending AO champion that cemented his rep as a weak player who couldn't last a 5th set.But most of his retirements have come fairly early in matches,the ones that went long never had a retirement and Djokovic usually won.

[FedSampras1]

Fakervic and Ferrer are obviously doping, also maybe Berdych Del Potro and Fixarevic. But the biggest doper is the one who hasn't played for months, he is the Armstrong of tennis and needs to be exposed asap

[smoledman]

Eggovic/Bloodovic is obviously doping.

[SoBad]

Originally Posted by West Coast Ace

And Nadal has never been to Moscow because there are no good gambas restaurants, no?

Moscow offered Nadal extraordinary amounts of money, luxurious accommodations, and exotic tours just to show up, year after year. However, legendary player Nadal has a very busy schedule and so many groupies and fans going after him everywhere make it difficult to travel.

[SoBad]

Originally Posted by Speranza

My, my... this I expected not from you SoBad. For one quite witty and eloquent, although with a deep rooted dislike (almost hatred?) of Federer, it suits you not to lessen his 14 sl-, sorry, 17 slams with such accusations

After all, whatever you type here to antagonize Federer fans, you know perfectly well that out of your hero and Federer, the most suspect regarding doping would be the former. At least in general opinion. We could then discuss it with facts over the last several years.

No matter how much you'd love for Roger to be more suspect (oh, and hated), you can fool everyone else in whichever manner you prefer, but in life you cannot fool yourself.

TTFN.

I don’t know about witty and eloquent, but what I do know is that I have been a devoted Federer fan for all these years and I want him to come clean after all this time and crime. Nevertheless, if you want us Feder fans to go into conspiracy do deny his crime, I am okay with it. I am such a big fan of Feder I am okay to be silent about his crimes – you can count on me.

[jamesblakefan#1]

RE: Murray balding. Sometimes its just the genes. Mr. Murray.

[SoBad]

Jamie has a thuggish quality to him.

[Service Ace]

Nadal is definitely doping, I think we can all agree on that. As for Djokovic... like someone else already said, you don't go from being the guy with the worst stamina and endurance on the tour to being the guy with the best. "Rookie of the Year" had a more believable metamorphosis than Djokovic.

[maruzo]

It's one thing to speculate, it's quite another to accuse without reasonable cause.

Unless tests confirm the existence of illegal drugs in their system, I think the topic should revert back to how they play their games, instead of how they might be "doping".

I'm a player myself, and I know it is possible to play at these guy's level.

It's not about doping, it's all about training, becoming fit, and outlasting your opponents in the long run. Being able to hit quality shots time and again repeatedly throughout the entire match.

Tennis is really more of an exercise in mental discipline rather than bulking up and exerting massive power in a instance.

If you take notice, most of these top players will start out slow especially the deeper they get into the tournament.

Their body needs time to get into the grove and pace of the match, just like a fine sports car needs to properly warm up before performing at its best.

You only dope if you need power in a hurry because you lacked the time and patience for a proper training.

These guys have proper equipment and specialist trainers who design specific regimen to fit these player's needs. That is why their body is able to perform at such high levels throughout the entire season. It's a very disciplined and hard life. Only the devoted and highly focused athletes are able to carry out such torture of an training program.

Look at Pete, everyone knew his lack of physical endurance, yet he won 14 slams. And no, he was never quite as fit as some of his contemporaries.

Andre got fit as a fiddle in the latter stage of his career, but you can clearly see the sign of physical training on his body. Mardy Fish, another example of severe training and thinning down. Don't look like he did much doping to me.

[BreakPoint]

ESPN just did a segment right before the men's final with Tom Rinaldi discussing how Djokovic used to poop out and retire after 2 1/2 hours on court and has somehow transformed himself into an "Ironman" who could go on forever on the court. He said Djokovic told him in an interview after his Berdych match that he could easily play for another 5 hours, and this is AFTER his marathon 5-set match versus Wawrinka!

You just know all the ESPN commentators wanted to bring up the possibility of doping and were all trying their hardest to bite their tongues not to let it slip past their lips on air. I'd bet as soon as the cameras went off and they went to commercial, all they talked about was PEDs and probably compared Djokovic to Lance Armstrong.

[fps]

Originally Posted by maruzo

It's one thing to speculate, it's quite another to accuse without reasonable cause.

Unless tests confirm the existence of illegal drugs in their system, I think the topic should revert back to how they play their games, instead of how they might be "doping".

I'm a player myself, and I know it is possible to play at these guy's level.

It's not about doping, it's all about training, becoming fit, and outlasting your opponents in the long run. Being able to hit quality shots time and again repeatedly throughout the entire match.

Tennis is really more of an exercise in mental discipline rather than bulking up and exerting massive power in a instance.

If you take notice, most of these top players will start out slow especially the deeper they get into the tournament.

Their body needs time to get into the grove and pace of the match, just like a fine sports car needs to properly warm up before performing at its best.

You only dope if you need power in a hurry because you lacked the time and patience for a proper training.

These guys have proper equipment and specialist trainers who design specific regimen to fit these player's needs. That is why their body is able to perform at such high levels throughout the entire season. It's a very disciplined and hard life. Only the devoted and highly focused athletes are able to carry out such torture of an training program.

Look at Pete, everyone knew his lack of physical endurance, yet he won 14 slams. And no, he was never quite as fit as some of his contemporaries.

Andre got fit as a fiddle in the latter stage of his career, but you can clearly see the sign of physical training on his body. Mardy Fish, another example of severe training and thinning down. Don't look like he did much doping to me.

Well said. Nothing that's been offered in his thread is anything other than desperately poor speculation, and no-one in our positions is going to have access to anything that might point prove this either way. Whether they are or not, the level of discussion and debate in this thread is mostly laughable. I'm still struggling to work out which 3 of the top 4 are losing their hair at an unnatural rate lol.

[Mike Sams]

Federer's and Djokovic's fathers have full heads of hair. Murray's dad is bald. So it's in the genes more than anything. I've seen pro wrestlers doing steroids all their lives and many of them have had full heads of hair even into their old age like Triple H, Kevin Nash, etc.

[maruzo]

Originally Posted by Mike Sams

Federer's and Djokovic's fathers have full heads of hair. Murray's dad is bald. So it's in the genes more than anything. I've seen pro wrestlers doing steroids all their lives and many of them have had full heads of hair even into their old age like Triple H, Kevin Nash, etc.

I might be mistaken, but i thought the balding gene is passed down from your mom's side of the family tree?

My mom's hair grayed early. So did mine, my uncle (mom's brother) is half bald, mine is exhibiting the same pattern, just not as advanced yet.

My dad has full head of hair...

[Fiji]

There is a reason they call him Lance.

[Grgisme]

Oh c'mon guys, get over it. Djokovic is no.1, Fedal is gone. Just accept that fact and watch tennis and don't try to dismiss Novak with these allegations. This is insane.

He played 5-setters before 2011, check out his matches at 2007 Wimbledon

[kragster]

Originally Posted by fps

Well said. Nothing that's been offered in his thread is anything other than desperately poor speculation, and no-one in our positions is going to have access to anything that might point prove this either way. Whether they are or not, the level of discussion and debate in this thread is mostly laughable. I'm still struggling to work out which 3 of the top 4 are losing their hair at an unnatural rate lol.

I hope you realize my OP was being sarcastic for absolutely the reasons you describe above.

[veroniquem]

Originally Posted by Towser83

The baldness thing is a point but some people just go bald early. I've met people who were almost bald in their mid 20s.It happens.

Also Djokovic didn't actually suck at playing 5 hour matches early in his career, that's a popular misconception built on the back of 2 or 3 matches, allof which not particulary long. Djokovic had several long matches like a 5th set tiebreak with Stepenek in New York in 2007, several long Wimbledon matches in 2007 (3 hours, 4 hours and 5 hours in consecutive matches) Even in 2005 he had an epic first round at the US open vs Monfils and another match that year at Wimbledon where he came back from 2 sets down.One of the early criticisms of him was that he made winning matches too hard and he should be more clinical like Federer. People totally forget this now, but Djokovic was seen as a player that too often needed 4 or 5 sets to win. It was mainly Djokovic retiring vs Roddick as defending AO champion that cemented his rep as a weak player who couldn't last a 5th set.But most of his retirements have come fairly early in matches,the ones that went long never had a retirement and Djokovic usually won.

Djokovic has an excellent record in 5 setters (has had since 2005). 75% success careerwise just like Nadal. (which is top 6 in open era). I don't know why people imagine Djoko used to have trouble with 5 setters. He beat Monfils in 5 when he was 18. He's always had a great record in matches that go the distance.