Great advice i got today

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by coaching32yrs

I'm not convinced there is any "back door" into the pro ranks. One of my player's hitting partners is a woman on the Futures circuit. It's tough. She sometines has to travel far to earn points so she can get in main draws and avoid the qualies. Nothing back door about it that I can see. But I am open to correction.

i agree with you , TCF said his daughter was going to win the OB Eddie Herr ect. and head through some type of front door , not like we are having to do play futures wherever they exist in this country or abroad to gain points and get into the next level ,Challengers, the 250 , 500, 1000 .

It is just like the juniors start at the bottom getting your 1ST WIN then a tournament , then higher levels all the way up to Nationals and you have to have a decent ranking to get in those , It is a process I don't think TCF understands yet but he and his daughter need to win a match first and it will all start making sense to him .

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Looks like either you or your player are playing Futures or Future Qualification. Would you be able to give me a ball park estimate how much it would cost to travel the world to play Futures in 6 months? My son may be one of the youngest juniors in US that he turned 16 in the end of last October. His coach suggested to him recently that he spends 6 months after high school to play the ITF circuit before starting college. A player in Dartmouth did just that.

Assuming he will sign an NLI...or in the case of an Ivy get early decision.....in Nov-Dec of senior year. Practically speaking, wouldn't this be a decision between the college coach and player.

I wonder in what circumstances a college coach would want an incoming freshman to enroll in January rather than the previous September

[justinmadison]

Henrik Wiersholm, Spencer Papa, and Sefan Kozlov each advanced through qualifying into the main draw of the 10K futures event in Palm Coast FL. Frist round results for main … Henrik lost 3,3 to Jason Jung, Stefan lost 3,4 to Kevin King, and Spencer won 3,4 against Vahid Mizadeh (ATP Rank 991)

[GRANITECHIEF]

^^Alright! Go USA teens!!

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

It is a process I don't think TCF understands yet but he and his daughter need to win a match first and it will all start making sense to him .

Why do you say she needs to win a match first (don't know why you say he needs to win) when she's already won two tournaments and reached the finals of another. Do you think your obsession with someone else's 8 year old daughter is a healthy pastime?

Originally Posted by TCF

Not playing any more tournaments for a while. She has a growing group of kids interested in developing long term games. They meet most every night and have some great battles.

She did one recreational tournament and 2 USTA G12s. Won 2 of them, reached finals of the other. I learned all I needed to learn....she will compete, the pressure some people kept saying is so big a deal compared to intense practice matches is a myth, pressure can be imitated in many settings.

I also learned USTA rankings for the G12s are a joke. Besides a few players, most of the girls are brutally bad.

In short, these tournaments are a huge waste of time and money at this stage of the game.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by GRANITECHIEF

Guessing you mean the cost to travel for 6 months? The cost would vary greatly depending on where you go, but my guess is that for 2 people it generally falls within $750 to $1500 per event, for air, hotel, food, etc. So for 2 per month, ie 12 events would be roughly $9-18K.

Thanks. Looks like it may be cheaper to play Futures qualifications than USTA national events. We just spent over $2,000 to play the Winter National in Scottsdale. I guess if one plays Futures in Europe, he can just travel to different cities by train. BTW one also needs to pay for training and a coach... adding another $20-$30K to our budget for 6 months?

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by justinmadison

Henrik Wiersholm, Spencer Papa, and Sefan Kozlov each advanced through qualifying into the main draw of the 10K futures event in Palm Coast FL. Frist round results for main … Henrik lost 3,3 to Jason Jung, Stefan lost 3,4 to Kevin King, and Spencer won 3,4 against Vahid Mizadeh (ATP Rank 991)

This is where it gets tough , these guys have all had great success in the jrs. and now they are moving up a level and they will take some losses , who can believe they belong, learn what little things are causing them to lose, make adjustments and win .

[Freak4tennis]

Originally Posted by GRANITECHIEF

^^Alright! Go USA teens!!

Agreed, I also think that win was Spencers first point. He also picked up his 2nd by the win over Quintero (424) that's a big win in straight sets.

[GRANITECHIEF]

Originally Posted by Freak4tennis

Agreed, I also think that win was Spencers first point. He also picked up his 2nd by the win over Quintero (424) that's a big win in straight sets.

Great work, showing some good upside!

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

This is where it gets tough , these guys have all had great success in the jrs. and now they are moving up a level and they will take some losses , who can believe they belong, learn what little things are causing them to lose, make adjustments and win .

It's tough for these boys to beat grown ups. Koslov can beat many boys with ultra-consistency aka pushing. But against men who can hit a grounder at 80 miles/hr, pushing is just hopeless. I feel that DB could do better - he is a lot bigger and stronger.

[ga tennis]

Originally Posted by Chemist

It's tough for these boys to beat grown ups. Koslov can beat many boys with ultra-consistency aka pushing. But against men who can hit a grounder at 80 miles/hr, pushing is just hopeless. I feel that DB could do better - he is a lot bigger and stronger.

I don't see Koslov as a pusher. I do see D.B doing good and getting his share of points. It's still too early to tell which one will do better. I hope both of them are very successful!!!!!

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Assuming he will sign an NLI...or in the case of an Ivy get early decision.....in Nov-Dec of senior year. Practically speaking, wouldn't this be a decision between the college coach and player.

I wonder in what circumstances a college coach would want an incoming freshman to enroll in January rather than the previous September

Yes, he has to first get committed to a college and the college coach can easily say no. If he could not further improve his game in a year or so, playing the Future qualification would also be a waste of time for him. In addition, my son will likely have better experience in the Futures after he becomes stronger and finishes his college. Being a tennis pro is never a part of his/our career planning.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by ga tennis

I don't see Koslov as a pusher. I do see D.B doing good and getting his share of points. It's still too early to tell which one will do better. I hope both of them are very successful!!!!!

Saw Koslov played at Kalamazzo 18s last year against big boys. He hit hard only when his opponent approached to the net. Mechanically not very smooth, but moved really well. He just used other's pace to keep the balls deep. Big boys often got frustrated playing a small boy and made errors. I watched several matches at a non-sanctioned $50,000 event last year, the players with ATP rank of 500 or so are really good. They have big serves over 100 miles to corners, they hit hard and ran well. Yes, I too wish all American boys the very best!

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Yes, he has to first get committed to a college and the college coach can easily say no. If he could not further improve his game in a year or so, playing the Future qualification would also be a waste of time for him. In addition, my son will likely have better experience in the Futures after he becomes stronger and finishes his college. Being a tennis pro is never a part of his/our career planning.

Real tricky navigation for you, I think. It would be like, "Thanks Coach for getting me early admission to [fill in your Ivy]. Can I play overseas for 6 months and enroll in your school and join your team in January?"

If this is what a recruit wants to do, I think he/she should get out in front, lay the the cards face up on the table, and disclose it during the recruiting process to see what the coach thinks.

If the coach is positive or negative about it, wouldn't both sides want to know then, is my question

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Real tricky navigation for you, I think. It would be like, "Thanks Coach for getting me early admission to [fill in your Ivy]. Can I play overseas for 6 months and enroll in your school and join your team in January?"

If this is what a recruit wants to do, I think he/she should get out in front, lay the the cards face up on the table, and disclose it during the recruiting process to see what the coach thinks.

If the coach is positive or negative about it, wouldn't both sides want to know then, is my question

Mr. Bill, I think you have convinced me to drop this idea... BTW, I asked my son if he wants to spend his senior year in a full-time academy. He said no - he did not want to miss the fun being a senior and the opportunity of taking 5-6 more APs - I cannot blame him wanting to be a good student first.

[RingerOG]

Great to be back on the boards. Been very busy since my last post. Interesting to hear everybody's opinions and input. Yes, I am for real N1C and other tennis parents. I have been through just about everything this crazy game can throw at you. If anybody has any questions about any level of the game I will try to explain it as best I can without any BS.

[chalkflewup]

Originally Posted by Chemist

It's tough for these boys to beat grown ups. Koslov can beat many boys with ultra-consistency aka pushing. But against men who can hit a grounder at 80 miles/hr, pushing is just hopeless. I feel that DB could do better - he is a lot bigger and stronger.

Kozlov has an extremely high tennis IQ and he is the ultimate competitor. Those two qualities give him a chance regardless of who he plays. He may not pound the ball every shot, however; he can hit the ball and that's part of his magic - you never know what you're going to get. If you let your guard down for 1 second he can take a ball on the rise and flatten a sick angle or go down the line. I'm not putting him on the tour just yet, but people doubt this kid wherever he goes and all he does is win.

[Mitch Bridge]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

This is where it gets tough , these guys have all had great success in the jrs. and now they are moving up a level and they will take some losses , who can believe they belong, learn what little things are causing them to lose, make adjustments and win .

I think it is a good choice to play your first series of futures in the US to learn the level and make the necessary adjustments. When it is time to earn points, I would recommend going to a weaker region to get started and play Challenger qualies as soon as possible because this is where the level of play adjustments are the most valuable to success on the tour.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by chalkflewup

Kozlov has an extremely high tennis IQ and he is the ultimate competitor. Those two qualities give him a chance regardless of who he plays. He may not pound the ball every shot, however; he can hit the ball and that's part of his magic - you never know what you're going to get. If you let your guard down for 1 second he can take a ball on the rise and flatten a sick angle or go down the line. I'm not putting him on the tour just yet, but people doubt this kid wherever he goes and all he does is win.

I agree Kozlov is already a really good player. But right now, good men will attack his serves, even his 1st serves then hold their own with service winners and aces. No doubt he will make a good living as a tour pro in 5-6 years.

Brad - Has DB played Kozlov in the last couple of years?

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Chemist

I agree Kozlov is already a really good player. But right now, good men will attack his serves, even his 1st serves then hold their own with service winners and aces. No doubt he will make a good living as a tour pro in 5-6 years.

Brad - Has DB played Kozlov in the last couple of years?

No not in the last couple , I dont know if they hit with eachother when DB visited Boca last time , Koz has been injured for the last few months but heard he is playing again .