Aggassi says Fed, Djoke, Nadal 3 GOAT, agree?

[Mick3391]

Yea it's hard to argue "Nadal is better than Fed", when Nadal says Fed is better

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Originally Posted by Mick3391

Here's the deal, despite what we like or wish or try to manipulate.

EVERY PRO, EVERY COMMENTATOR says...

do you know what "every" means?

If you cannot say 100% of every working and retired pro, pundit and writer has made that statement, then no, he is no GOAT...and never will be as he was not skilled/talented enough to win the Grand Slam.

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by THUNDERVOLLEY

do you know what "every" means?

If you cannot say 100% of every working and retired pro, pundit and writer has made that statement, then no, he is no GOAT...and never will be as he was not skilled/talented enough to win the Grand Slam.

Relax dude, I'm in a way on your side. Do you know what generalizing to 99% means? Yea, every commentator, past pro, says Fed is the greatest, sorry if that's not good enough for you, but it is for the masses.

You can make a good argument that someone else is better and that's cool, but if you look at what "Experts" say, it's Fed, surely you won't deny that!

[TMF]

No one is saying Fed is a 100%, undisputed goat. No athlete is 100% goat in his/her sport either, so let's try to keep that in mind for now on. However, when vast majority of the fans/experts/ex-players/commentators have said Federer is the greatest, he deserve the title more than any past legends. M Jordan doesn't earned 100% votes from the masses, but he's still regard as the greatest NBA player of all time.

[sdont]

Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0

All I know is that Nadal leads Federer and Djokovic 37-24 in the overall h2h and 14-5 in the slam h2h.

Yeah, we've noticed that already.

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by TMF

No one is saying Fed is a 100%, undisputed goat. No athlete is 100% goat in his/her sport either, so let's try to keep that in mind for now on. However, when vast majority of the fans/experts/ex-players/commentators have said Federer is the greatest, he deserve the title more than any past legends. M Jordan doesn't earned 100% votes from the masses, but he's still regard as the greatest NBA player of all time.

Uh, that's why I rephrased with "OK, 99%". Geez guys, you have to cool your jets, think your guy is the best, fine, but why not debate with dignity and respect, there's one guy on here who calls Federer fans *******s or something, nothing get's accomplished that way.

I, and a overwhelming percent of experts think Fed is the GOAT, does that mean he is? No, but I THINK HE IS, could I be wrong? Of course.

Personally, I can't wait for the next Federer. I don't like Djokavich or Murray, that's not an insult, just happen to not like to watch them play. Fed just has that rare quality, that Charisma, as Dr. Evil would say "that something else" that captures everyones attention. I mean movie stars are intrigue by him.

Does that mean Novak or Andy are not good as some Fed fans claim? Of course not, THEY ARE AWESOME. I like our sport, but our sport is like a ******* sport, the finals of the AO finish, go to sports on the major networks online, you MAY find the results, or find it on 5th down right below "Stanford beat UCLA".

We need stars. I'd even go for a Mcenroe, a total punk, say what you will but he increased interest in Tennis. I want to hear some "I'm going to kick his ***", or some broken racquets, sounds bad but controversy sells, we need STARS to increase awareness of this great sport, we don't want it going the way of boxing, that is dead.

I'd love to see Novak come out and say like Ivan drago "I shall defeat all man", "I am physically unbeatable", GUARANTEED crowds would double to watch him lose. Like Ali said in the 60's of all of his bragging, "Half the people came to see me get beat up, other half to see what all the fuss was about".

[dominikk1985]

in level of play the 3 are indeed the best ever. I think prime fed, prime nadal and 2011 novak are about equal as players.

but still when we talk about achievements the other 2 are not even close to fed because fed did that for 5+ years while nadal and djokovics primes were quite short.

I don't have nadal in my top4 and nole just inside my top10 all time with fed obbviously being the GOAT.

[6-1 6-3 6-0]

Originally Posted by sdont

Yeah, we've noticed that already.

Actually, I know more than anyone else on this forum.

[forzamilan90]

Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0

Actually, I know more than anyone else on this forum.

probably make the most money too

[kishnabe]

Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

Would you call him the GOAT if he beats Federer's HC slams with a AO-heavy HC resume.

Federer has a nice balance: 5 USO and 4 AO.

Djokovic has 4 AO and 1 USO. I want to see Djokovic dominate on faster HC like USO(well, at least for todays standards) before calling him the GOAT HCer.

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

I would be surprised if he did that. I can easily see him winning 3 more Australian Opens, but not 3 more U.S Opens. Crazier things have happened though.

Well if it was 10 Australians and 1 US then....I would give credit to Federer for more diversity.

If Novak can manage 4 more Aussie.....which is possible with his game fitting that event. Luck 2 more US Open wins....been to 3 consecutive finals.....so I don't think it such a far off thought.

He may just as easily not win more than another 2 HC slams.....Murray, Nadal and Federer can still beat him on the Hard.

[Masayoshi]

Andre seems to be saying a lot of weird stuff recently, like that comment how he would have to fight to be #5 in today's game. Seems like typical generational modesty, to me. Who wants to sound like that old timer who says "Back in my day, we played tennis with tiny wooden racquets, while wearing a blindfold and listening to a Sony Walkman whatcha-ma-gadget that played nothing but Azarenka shrieks"?

Agassi is sorely underselling his own generation. Maybe if you took one of those guys and transported them to this time, he'd do badly after he just arrived. But give him the training regimen, nutrition regimen of these current guys, and he'd be competing with the best of them.

[Doubles]

Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0

Actually, I know more than anyone else on this forum.

[TheFifthSet]

Originally Posted by THUNDERVOLLEY

as he was not skilled/talented enough to win the Grand Slam.

So? He had to deal with the greatest single-surface player of all time, BY FAR. Nadal is better on clay than any player was on any surface. You think Laver, Pancho, or even Rosewall would be favoured against Nadal at the French? You'd be in the minority.

And even if they get over that hurdle, there's stil more work to be done.

[NatF]

A single season of dominance doesn't offset an entire career. Having said that, Laver's career itself was amazing.

Agassi is selling himself short, he doesn't think he's a step ahead of players like Ferrer, Berdych, Tsonga, Del Potro? lol. Let's be real, Agassi at his best would be sitting in the top 3 comfortably.

[Dedans Penthouse]

Andre the druggie enabler whose 1st wife endured his druggie-induced "moments," Andre the "big game hunter" who'd shoot hawks circling above his house (his roof littered with carcasses), who wore a wig (LMAO!), who went to bed with 28-years-older Steisand (imagine waking up to that schnozzle *gulp!*) .... yeah, Andre, the zen master ...

... whatever .....

[TheFifthSet]

Originally Posted by NatF

A single season of dominance doesn't offset an entire career. Having said that, Laver's career itself was amazing.

Agassi is selling himself short, he doesn't think he's a step ahead of players like Ferrer, Berdych, Tsonga, Del Potro? lol. Let's be real, Agassi at his best would be sitting in the top 3 comfortably.

I don't know about COMFORTABLY. I think he'd be in the the top 4, however he would fight ot be top 3 with fed nadal and djokovic there.

[Mike Bulgakov]

Originally Posted by Dedans Penthouse

Andre the druggie enabler whose 1st wife endured his druggie-induced "moments," Andre the "big game hunter" who'd shoot hawks circling above his house (his roof littered with carcasses), who wore a wig (LMAO!), who went to bed with 28-years-older Steisand (imagine waking up to that schnozzle *gulp!*) .... yeah, Andre, the zen master ...

... whatever .....

Did Agassi do this? I never read his book, but shooting hawks for no reason would be far worse than admissions of drug use, in my opinion.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by Dedans Penthouse

Andre the druggie enabler whose 1st wife endured his druggie-induced "moments," Andre the "big game hunter" who'd shoot hawks circling above his house (his roof littered with carcasses), who wore a wig (LMAO!), who went to bed with 28-years-older Steisand (imagine waking up to that schnozzle *gulp!*) .... yeah, Andre, the zen master ...

... whatever .....

did he really go to bed with Barbra, I just hope he brought her flowers. and made here remember "the way we were" with Redford.

[llama]

Originally Posted by Mike Bulgakov

Did Agassi do this? I never read his book, but shooting hawks for no reason would be far worse than admissions of drug use, in my opinion.

No, he didn't do that. I guess you didn't read the book carefully enough - it was his father that did that. His father hated the hawks because they killed small animals.