Doubles GOAT ?

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by robow7

So a different question or angle, what must the Bryan Bros. achieve to be considered the greatest doubles TEAM of all time? How many majors, how many tourney wins, how many weeks or years at no. 1, or is it even attainable since they play in this era? Seems awfully unfair if there is no way that they can ever achieve that status no matter what their accomplishments.

robow7, I thought that TMF is the only one who ranks the Bryans first. Have you ever considered that there are weak and strong eras? Have you realized that the Bryans don't have any tough competition in contrary to McGregor/Sedgman, Hoad/ Rosewall and Newcombe/Roche?

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by Phoenix1983

I think it's obvious that the standard of doubles has declined from the days when the great singles players were regularly competing. Many of the greats up to McEnroe's era honed their skills in the doubles and brought great talent to the table. Now we have a few specialist teams like the Bryans and a lot of mediocrities.

Just because I disagree with you re: Rosewall doesn't mean I find all your statements incorrect.

Thanks again, Phoenix.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

I'm sorry, pc1, but mixed doubles must be banished from league play. I'll take that fight to my grave.

I agree that it is perception, and everybody tends to be less motivated to contradict those posters who have views that align more closely with their own. I know that there have been specific incidents where you have let me down, and I'm sure you have felt the same about me, especially with your deleted thread. In my defense, the thread seemed to be inseparable from the height discussion, and I was kidding for the majority of the post.

To be clear, I don't think the doubles today is as good as it was in the past, but I am not confident enough about it to act like a jerk. That is really my only dog in this fight, that people don't realize how easy it is for their perceptions to be completely wrong.

I just want to add that the best part about this thread is that Dan and Bobby can finally hold hands and skip happily off into the sunset. Hoad and Rosewall can be tops together.

NadalDramaQueen, I find it a great pity that Dan is already married. Dan&Bobby would be a great couple...

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by pc1

I was thinking that I was in the Twilight Zone when Dan and BobbyOne were agreeing so readily also. But let's face it, while we may disagree or agree with either of them, they generally know their stuff.

pc1,

Thank you for this praise for Dan and me.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by kiki

So.. you don´t include Vines as a major doubs player?

kiki, by the way, Vines with Tilden ( a rather strange formation maybe) beat Lott/Stoefen (the 1934 best amateur team) in the 1935 world tour and at Wembley.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by forzamilan90

I am one who has negatively called some of these guys here "historian," but used that term not in a sarcastic way. I stand by that. Check it out. Kiki basically admitted today the following:




All that crap he talks about today's game, and how magical the past was, and he barely even follows the tour. Can you say biased here? History's even going after all. Bobby admittedly also has said he ain't following the current tour as much, yet they come out with some quite opinionated, controversial, and supposedly "knowledgeable" statements. All I hear out of kiki's mouth in regards to contemporary tennis: is weak era, Fed's h2h with Nadal, not as good as the old days, f***** Kodes, etc. Not much sage talk there.

Forza, Could not be it the other way? That kiki and I followed the current and recent tennis but that we are not too impressed by it? I see enough to be able to judge the modern tennis.

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by forzamilan90

I am one who has negatively called some of these guys here "historian," but used that term not in a sarcastic way. I stand by that. Check it out. Kiki basically admitted today the following:




All that crap he talks about today's game, and how magical the past was, and he barely even follows the tour. Can you say biased here? History's even going after all. Bobby admittedly also has said he ain't following the current tour as much, yet they come out with some quite opinionated, controversial, and supposedly "knowledgeable" statements. All I hear out of kiki's mouth in regards to contemporary tennis: is weak era, Fed's h2h with Nadal, not as good as the old days, f***** Kodes, etc. Not much sage talk there.

Don't let it get to you. There are always people who watch the world pass by.

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

NadalDramaQueen, I find it a great pity that Dan is already married. Dan&Bobby would be a great couple...

I was thinking more along the lines of the "bromance," which may be the purest form of love.

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Forza, Could not be it the other way? That kiki and I followed the current and recent tennis but that we are not too impressed by it?I see enough to be able to judge the modern tennis.

It could be that way, but it isn't.

Originally Posted by pc1

I was thinking that I was in the Twilight Zone when Dan and BobbyOne were agreeing so readily also. But let's face it, while we may disagree or agree with either of them, they generally know their stuff.

Ah yes, but the only thing that matters is how you use that knowledge.

[robow7]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

robow7, I thought that TMF is the only one who ranks the Bryans first.

Bobbyone, I'm only asking questions, playing Devils advocate in some instances. You misunderstand if you think I'm stating that the Bryan Bros are without a doubt the finest dubs team ever. IMO, Impossible to define GOAT unless you first define your criteria and those criteria vary depending on what you feel should be emphasized. If the boys play for another 3 years as they say right now and put up big numbers then where do they then stand?

[TMF]

Originally Posted by kiki

what is this very prestigious source?

Just opinions from tennis fans. I know you don't like it because Jan Kodes isn't on the top list.

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

pc1,

Thank you for this praise for Dan and me.

Well-deserved praise, some of which should go to PC1, who is also well-informed.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by robow7

So a different question or angle, what must the Bryan Bros. achieve to be considered the greatest doubles TEAM of all time? How many majors, how many tourney wins, how many weeks or years at no. 1, or is it even attainable since they play in this era? Seems awfully unfair if there is no way that they can ever achieve that status no matter what their accomplishments.

This is The Laver Forum. The only place that required modern players to achieved 10X as much as the old school players in order to be mention in the same breath.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by kiki

when are we having Limpin aboard again?

Feel too much burden carri´n the old good tennis on my shoulders

Why don't you ask BobbyOne. He and Limpin gotten into a fight and Limpin end up getting banned. Limpin is back now but not posting, I believe he's still mad at BobbyOne.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

robow7, I thought that TMF is the only one who ranks the Bryans first. Have you ever considered that there are weak and strong eras? Have you realized that the Bryans don't have any tough competition in contrary to McGregor/Sedgman, Hoad/ Rosewall and Newcombe/Roche?

Cry us a river all you want, that's not going to take away the Bryan's achievements and their records.

Bryans win record 13th Slam title

[TMF]

Originally Posted by kiki

I don´t either.They would have won 30.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kiki, by the way, Vines with Tilden ( a rather strange formation maybe) beat Lott/Stoefen (the 1934 best amateur team) in the 1935 world tour and at Wembley.

Thanks.Tilden and Vines were exceptional players and should have teamed up more often...

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Forza, Could not be it the other way? That kiki and I followed the current and recent tennis but that we are not too impressed by it? I see enough to be able to judge the modern tennis.

I fully agree.let´s say we are not interested in it.Does not invalidate our opinions.the problem is that Forza and other never watched what we did...truth hurts.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by TMF

Why don't you ask BobbyOne. He and Limpin gotten into a fight and Limpin end up getting banned. Limpin is back now but not posting, I believe he's still mad at BobbyOne.

The old Laver vs Rosewall story...

[TMF]

Originally Posted by kiki

I fully agree.let´s say we are not interested in it.Does not invalidate our opinions.the problem is that Forza and other never watched what we did...truth hurts.

There is no truth but littered with bias(double standard, exaggeration, catch-22, hides the negative fact, and sometime even lies).

[kiki]

Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

Don't let it get to you. There are always people who watch the world pass by.



I was thinking more along the lines of the "bromance," which may be the purest form of love.



It could be that way, but it isn't.



Ah yes, but the only thing that matters is how you use that knowledge.

I live in the present.But I appreciate the good things.Of course, one has that fortune to choose, some just don´t.

[forzamilan90]

Originally Posted by kiki

I fully agree.let´s say we are not interested in it.Does not invalidate our opinions.the problem is that Forza and other never watched what we did...truth hurts.

there's barely any footage whatsoever of it, and a time machine doesn't exist.