Nadal says that his knee still hurts

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by cc0509

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So what are YOU doing here then? Stay in the Nadal fantasy world where you belong if you hate it so much on other threads.

I'll stay here if I want to. Lots of interesting posters, even if a lot of idiots.

[Murrayfan31]

Nadal is still not clear when the silent ban will end or will they limit the amount of tournaments he can enter for the rest of the season. They already said no to the Australian Open.

[West Coast Ace]

Originally Posted by cc0509

100%, these blind worshippers can't see a thing because they are too emotionally involved in their favorite player. Nobody is saying the other players don't dope, but there has been the most smoke around Nadal for so many years for a reason. Just like some of the Armstrong loons who still believe Armstrong is not guilty even though he confessed, Nadal could confess and they would still think he was set up in some way. You just have to laugh at these kinds of people, because you will never convince them to be able to see logic.

Great post.

If 10 yrs from now we find out the ATP was just like cycling (including all of the Big 4), I'll be disappointed. But I won't fall of the couch in shock. When there's so much money to be earned, everyone's going to look for an edge. And will rationalize their use: "Everyone else was" or "the fans wanted to see us play" or "the ATP and the tournaments make so much money off us", etc...

[mariecon]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

Lol, more suspicion?, among ****s, that is. And conspiracy nuts who believe anything they read.

Tell us then, why did the ITF find it necessary to test Nadal "6 or 7 times" since he announced he was coming back? Doesn't that seem a little much for an organization that has been seriously lax in its testing?

Read it and weep... http://www.iol.co.za/sport/tennis/ne...3#.UQxjeh0TJqU

I'd like to hear your reasoning. Why test a player, who has apparently been out with an injury, that many times? Or are the ITF conspiracy theorists too?

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by mariecon

Tell us then, why did the ITF find it necessary to test Nadal "6 or 7 times" since he announced he was coming back? Doesn't that seem a little much for an organization that has been seriously lax in its testing?

Read it and weep... http://www.iol.co.za/sport/tennis/ne...3#.UQxjeh0TJqU

I'd like to hear your reasoning. Why test a player, who has apparently been out with an injury, that many times? Or are the ITF conspiracy theorists too?

Why has Lance not had a single blood test done in 7 months? When was the last time he was OOC tested at all? He is just as suspicious as anyone, and has had the biggest jump in performance over the shortest period of time I have ever seen in all the years I have been watching tennis. If anyone deserves to be tested and tested often, it's Lance.

[mariecon]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Why has Lance not had a single blood test done in 7 months? When was the last time he was OOC tested at all? He is just as suspicious as anyone, and has had the biggest jump in performance over the shortest period of time I have ever seen in all the years I have been watching tennis. If anyone deserves to be tested and tested often, it's Lance.

Good question. Ask WADA and the ITF.

[DragonBlaze]

Originally Posted by cc0509

What the f-ckity f-ck are you talking about? All I said was that Nadal has had more suspicion around him than any other player. It is not my problem if you are in denial about this fact. As to the rest of your post, if I could actually understand it I would respond but it makes zero sense.

But what's the point of saying that? I mean except for aggravating the Nadal fan base? IF Nadal is doping, well then 100% so are Federer, Djokovic and Murray. Thus in that case there really is no need to single Nadal out.

If Nadal isn't doping, then all the "extra" suspicion on him means jack sh-t anyway, and so again there is no need to single him out.

Thus what does anyone accomplish by saying there is "more suspicion" on Nadal? Until unless you are just in a trolling mood, I just don't see the point.

As for the topic, sucks about Nadal's pain, I thought he would have recovered by now from that atleast.

[TMF]

For me, the chances of the top 5 players doping would be in this order:

1. Nadal
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2. Nole
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3. Ferrer
4. Murray
5. Federer

[beast of mallorca]

Originally Posted by DragonBlaze

But what's the point of saying that? I mean except for aggravating the Nadal fan base? IF Nadal is doping, well then 100% so are Federer, Djokovic and Murray. Thus in that case there really is no need to single Nadal out.

If Nadal isn't doping, then all the "extra" suspicion on him means jack sh-t anyway, and so again there is no need to single him out.

Thus what does anyone accomplish by saying there is "more suspicion" on Nadal? Until unless you are just in a trolling mood, I just don't see the point.

As for the topic, sucks about Nadal's pain, I thought he would have recovered by now from that atleast.

Can you not see the obvious ? You know, the ******* obvious. probably 80% of cc0509 posts are about Rafa's doping. If there is a rally regarding this, he'd be holding a placard and will be spearheading that Cause (if there isn't already one) !!

[Agassifan]

Originally Posted by TMF

For me, the chances of the top 5 players doping would be in this order:

1. Nadal
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2. Nole
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3. Ferrer
4. Murray
5. Federer

That's how my list would go as well. However, I think the % chance that Rafa is doping is less than 20%.

[THE FIGHTER]

we'll see once and for all if nadal is doping come fedruary 4th. if he comes back looking fresh, we'll know he wasn't doping in the past. if he comes out looking crappy, we'll know he isn't currently doping.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by kragster

Is that a fact or just your opinion based on the sample size of TW. Obviously I know that IN THIS FORUM he is the most suspected top player but this forum is not representative of public OR expert opinion. Show me a group of reputed tennis experts (former players, commentators etc leveling accusations at Nadal AND THEN you can state that there is general suspicion around him). Random blog posts on the internet and fan talk on this forum are hardly reliable causes for suspicion.

Nope, not going to take your bait. You know as well as I do that there have been rumors about Nadal for many years. There are many articles in the European press and there have even been inferences more recently in the N.American press. You also know the players both current and ex-players who have made inferences about this topic, and if you don't google is your friend, it is all there.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

Lol, more suspicion?, among ****s, that is. And conspiracy nuts who believe anything they read.

You should talk. Is there anything that has come from the Nadal camp that you haven't believed? If so, I have yet to see it. Is "gullible" your middle name?

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by DragonBlaze

But what's the point of saying that? I mean except for aggravating the Nadal fan base? IF Nadal is doping, well then 100% so are Federer, Djokovic and Murray. Thus in that case there really is no need to single Nadal out.

If Nadal isn't doping, then all the "extra" suspicion on him means jack sh-t anyway, and so again there is no need to single him out.

Thus what does anyone accomplish by saying there is "more suspicion" on Nadal? Until unless you are just in a trolling mood, I just don't see the point.

As for the topic, sucks about Nadal's pain, I thought he would have recovered by now from that atleast.

What is the point? The point is that it is the truth. There has been the most suspicion around Nadal on this topic for many years. I am not a Nadal hater, I like Nadal but one thing has nothing to do with the other. People want to bury their heads in the sand and claim that doping is impossible in the sport of tennis, and that is a very naive position imo. By the way, I think that all of the players in the top ten dope or have doped. I think that most if not all elite athletes dope or have doped, so this is not an exercise in pinpointing for me. People have the right to believe what they want.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by TMF

For me, the chances of the top 5 players doping would be in this order:

1. Nadal
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2. Nole
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3. Ferrer
4. Murray
5. Federer

Realistically, if one is honest with oneself, one would have to come to the conclusion that they all do it. It is the culture and nature of the game.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by beast of mallorca

Can you not see the obvious ? You know, the ******* obvious. probably 80% of cc0509 posts are about Rafa's doping. If there is a rally regarding this, he'd be holding a placard and will be spearheading that Cause (if there isn't already one) !!

I am no ******* and I have said I think they all likely dope in the top ten but on this forum and many other forums out there, the threads are all about Nadal. Why is that? Surely there has to be a reason other than the stupid standard response that if you think player X dopes, you must be a hater. That is just a knee-jerk reaction and it is silly. Take away your player favourtism for just one minute and look out there objectively and tell me who has the most suspicion surrounding him re doping? Be honest. I am not just talking about on forums but look in the media, both European and N. American.

[beast of mallorca]

Originally Posted by cc0509

I am no ******* and I have said I think they all likely dope in the top ten but on this forum and many other forums out there, the threads are all about Nadal. Why is that? Surely there has to be a reason other than the stupid standard response that if you think player X dopes, you must be a hater. That is just a knee-jerk reaction and it is silly. Take away your player favourtism for just one minute and look out there objectively and tell me who has the most suspicion surrounding him re doping? Be honest. I am not just talking about on forums but look in the media, both European and N. American.

Don't be a hypocrite now dude. 99% of your posts are against Rafa, doping and etc, but mostly doping. Don't pretend that you are being objective yourself. If you think that the top 10 likely dopes, show me one single post where you specifically accuse another player besides Nadal and Djoker..........if you are really being objective. But it seems that the crusade is against Rafa.

I don't have a problem with that, afterall you are a Fedfan. My objections are that you try to play objective and yap about the subject on and on like you have an actual proof. That's all you talk about, Rafa doping. If you have evidence, then show it. Otherwise, it's all yap.

FYI: I will not rule it out, and it is not impossible. But he, along "with the so called likely dopers" are innocent until proven guilty.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by beast of mallorca

Don't be a hypocrite now dude. 99% of your posts are against Rafa, doping and etc, but mostly doping. Don't pretend that you are being objective yourself. If you think that the top 10 likely dopes, show me one single post where you specifically accuse another player besides Nadal and Djoker..........if you are really being objective. But it seems that the crusade is against Rafa.

I don't have a problem with that, afterall you are a Fedfan. My objections are that you try to play objective and yap about the subject on and on like you have an actual proof. That's all you talk about, Rafa doping. If you have evidence, then show it. Otherwise, it's all yap.

FYI: I will not rule it out, and it is not impossible. But he, along "with the so called likely dopers" are innocent until proven guilty.

That is because all the threads on doping on this forum are about Nadal or Djokovic. I have said many times I think the top guys all likely dope.

As far as whether you have objections to my posts on the subject, I could not care less. Put me on ignore if you don't like them. We are all entitled to our opinions.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible

Rafa appreciates that you think he's gorgeous, he will climb any mountain, swim any ocean, wrestle alligators just for you.

Rafa must just pose, http://www.bjpenn.com/video-overeem-...odel-ufc-news/

[beast of mallorca]

Originally Posted by cc0509

That is because all the threads on doping on this forum are about Nadal or Djokovic. I have said many times I think the top guys all likely dope.

As far as whether you have objections to my posts on the subject, I could not care less. Put me on ignore if you don't like them. We are all entitled to our opinions.

Don't worry dude, your posts per se do not bother me. You can post anything you like. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy, that's all. TW is all fun for me...........