The 4G Review Everyone Seems Afraid to Write?

[rdis10093]

nostradamus is openly challenging the jolly one. boxing match go now. king of trolls vs the man who breaks p90s. a match for the ages. may the best man win

[pvaudio]

Jolly, I've been saying the stuff is a marketing exercise for forever now. You're not alone.

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

Jolly, I've been saying the stuff is a marketing exercise for forever now. You're not alone.

PV and I were on the playtest group.. we had the same insights. I think he stated that at one point some wanted to give him some sets for free and he did not take them.

I can see why the pros might really get the best from this string, but it is not a string for the masses to be sure. $17.00 a set.. no way

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Jolly, isn't that the reason why the Pros love this string so much. It is very predictable, low powered string with pinpoint accuracy. Much like the Pros use mostly low powered, precision based graphite frames these days. Pros want very predictable power and precision based on feel. and that is what they want out of the strings too.

Lol.

I consider myself blessed by your tremendous insight.

J

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by SteveI

PV and I were on the playtest group.. we had the same insights. I think he stated that at one point some wanted to give him some sets for free and he did not take them.

I can see why the pros might really get the best from this string, but it is not a string for the masses to be sure. $17.00 a set.. no way

That person is rdis10093, the first poster at the top of this page haha

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by rdis10093

nostradamus is openly challenging the jolly one. boxing match go now. king of trolls vs the man who breaks p90s. a match for the ages. may the best man win

Boxing match? I feel like a two year old is punching me in the leg because I said he can't have a cookie.

J

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by Lambsscroll

Its low power sets it apart. Its just another string to mix and match with other strings. Many use it in a hybrid to tame the power from natural gut.

Sucks at that too the string has some shape to it and to me doesn't let the gut work like gut I tried it and cut it out after a,couple of sessions. Wated gut and wasted expensive cross.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

Boxing match? I feel like a two year old is punching me in the leg because I said he can't have a cookie.

J

so you are saying, I make too much sense that you don't understand what I am saying ?

[rdis10093]

true words. I felt dirty after eventually giving them away. I had to ask several people to take them, not till the fourth did I find some one. the poor guy had never heard of 4g.

I asked my friend a week later what he thought of the 4g and he said "thanks very little"

[rdis10093]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

Boxing match? I feel like a two year old is punching me in the leg because I said he can't have a cookie.

J

only one shall leave the ring alive, the victor will be granted nothing but the best

johny walker red label

[sundaypunch]

Originally Posted by SteveI

I tested in both in a full bed and as a hybrid. Not impressed in any event. Not me for sure...

Ahh, I seem to have gotten you and TimothyO mixed up....

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

so you are saying, I make too much sense that you don't understand what I am saying ?

Oh no sir, you misunderstand me. It is obvious from your words that you have experience with dozens if not hundreds of tour player's frames, and string setups.

I am in awe of your knowledge; one could almost say I was reverent.

I consider myself blessed that you have such a benevolent soul and freely share your wisdom with us plebians.

J

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by rdis10093

only one shall leave the ring alive, the victor will be granted nothing but the best

johny walker red label

Not to worry mate, I will just lead him in circles around the ring and let him dig a deeper hole by continuing to say dimwitted things. Then he will **** off once he gets tired of everybody laughing at him.

J

[rdis10093]

the crew stands by on the ready with the victory scotch after a hard day of tennis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pi...ard_Teach).svg

[Lambsscroll]

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

Sucks at that too the string has some shape to it and to me doesn't let the gut work like gut I tried it and cut it out after a,couple of sessions. Wated gut and wasted expensive cross.

Both Serena Williams and Grigor Dimitrov use it as a cross. Maybe aggressive hard hitting players benefit more from it in a hybrid.

[TimothyO]

Good review Jo11y.

Even though I am a fan of 4G I mostly agree with you. Recently I tried full bed 4G and with a softer poly cross and HATED it. Everything you wrote is dead on.

But as a cross for gut mains I've found nothing else that performs as well. It doesn't provide as much spin potential as other poly crosses but still far more than full bed gut. With VS/4G I get casually accessible spin.

But the real advantage of gut/4G is the control and comfort. Full bed 4G is NOT comfortable imo. But with gut mains I have zero arm issues in spite of my sensitive arm.

And the control is absolutely amazing! With other poly crosses as the poly dies I steadily lose control. With 4G crosses I can paint the lines and hit with confidence. When I make a mistake there's no question in my mind that it was poor technique and not the hardware. With other poly crosses I will sometimes be surprised at the depth or direction of the shot and be left with the feeling that I'm spraying balls in unintended directions.

I've noted in previous posts that I get the feeling that 4G is specifically designed as a cross for gut. It's huge stiffness value and poor spin performance in full bed makes it a non-starter for me in that configuration. But it complements gut mains perfectly by exploiting the gut's comfort while simultaneously taming its power and matching its low tension loss.

In that context I'd like to add to your Review that Everyone Seems Afraid to Write: Luxilon probably designed 4G as a cross for gut but could never market it as such because the bean counters would freak out. In full bed or as a main with softer crosses it's terrible. But as a cross for natural gut it's absolutely perfect imo. I've tested a boatload of poly crosses and was resigned to never finding one that aged as nicely as the gut mains. 4G seems to be the Holy Grail for gut/poly uses who want some level of durability with respect to tension loss and maintenance of control and comfort (4G will still but through the mains but not nearly as fast as shaped polys such as Focus Hex).

[Boricua]

Originally Posted by TimothyO

Good review Jo11y.

Even though I am a fan of 4G I mostly agree with you. Recently I tried full bed 4G and with a softer poly cross and HATED it. Everything you wrote is dead on.

But as a cross for gut mains I've found nothing else that performs as well. It doesn't provide as much spin potential as other poly crosses but still far more than full bed gut. With VS/4G I get casually accessible spin.

But the real advantage of gut/4G is the control and comfort. Full bed 4G is NOT comfortable imo. But with gut mains I have zero arm issues in spite of my sensitive arm.

And the control is absolutely amazing! With other poly crosses as the poly dies I steadily lose control. With 4G crosses I can paint the lines and hit with confidence. When I make a mistake there's no question in my mind that it was poor technique and not the hardware. With other poly crosses I will sometimes be surprised at the depth or direction of the shot and be left with the feeling that I'm spraying balls in unintended directions.

I've noted in previous posts that I get the feeling that 4G is specifically designed as a cross for gut. It's huge stiffness value and poor spin performance in full bed makes it a non-starter for me in that configuration. But it complements gut mains perfectly by exploiting the gut's comfort while simultaneously taming its power and matching its low tension loss.

In that context I'd like to add to your Review that Everyone Seems Afraid to Write: Luxilon probably designed 4G as a cross for gut but could never market it as such because the bean counters would freak out. In full bed or as a main with softer crosses it's terrible. But as a cross for natural gut it's absolutely perfect imo. I've tested a boatload of poly crosses and was resigned to never finding one that aged as nicely as the gut mains. 4G seems to be the Holy Grail for gut/poly uses who want some level of durability with respect to tension loss and maintenance of control and comfort (4G will still but through the mains but not nearly as fast as shaped polys such as Focus Hex).

I liked it full bed in a Vcore Tour 97. All TW playtesters liked it full bed in their review on 4g. So, its a matter of opinion.

[TimothyO]

Originally Posted by Boricua

I liked it full bed in a Vcore Tour 97. All TW playtesters liked it full bed in their review on 4g. So, its a matter of opinion.

Absolutely! I know some full poly uses who hate gut/poly because they feel it's too powerful and being a fan of lower powered setups I certainly understand why they feel that way. There are folks in our area that swear by full bed 4G too.

My comments on full bed 4G can apply to just about any full bed poly for me since I've never found one really comfortable to me. But given 4G's low tension loss and incredible control I can see how a full poly user would enjoy it compared to other full bed polys.

This is my curse: I love gut's comfort and control but prefer less power and want more spin. This is why I think 4G performs so well with gut mains. I get the spin of gut/poly and great comfort and control for a longer period of time compared to other poly crosses.

One thing I don't understand about full poly though is the idea that it provides huge spin potential. I've tested a bunch of them in full bed (Tour Bite, RPM, Big Hitter Black, Black Widow, etc.) and nothing has provided the casually accessible spin of gut/poly. With these full polys I needed to focus on generating spin while with a good gut/poly spin is a natural byproduct of the setup. Hit the ball with even a moderate brushing motion or "glancing blow" blow and you get wonderful spin.

I think that gut/poly is to spin as modern frames is to power. In both cases technology augments technique or physical ability. Modern frames allow weaker players to get the ball deep over the net while gut/poly allows we lower level rec players to hit with decent spin even though our technique and RHS isn't as good as more skilled players.

[JackB1]

^^^

I also loved it in a full bed in a BLX 6.1 95 and in the 99s. Its so soft to me, it doesn't feel like a poly. I really don't think Luxilon designed it as a cross string. If they did, they would market it that way and sell it in half sets.

[Power Player]

Originally Posted by Ross K

How does it compare to 4G? What are the traits of Ice?

Cmon man, you know I gave all these answers in the holic thread.