The India Federation is hopeless

[SLD76]

Originally Posted by gsharma

I don't have time to endlessly argue with you but you don't have any credibility on this issue. You want credibility, go visit India or STOP preaching.

India is the 4th most dangerous place for women? I guess India is more dangerous than Congo, Chad, Sudan or even Syria where **** is used as an instrument of power. That's four countries for you. So much for surveys.

take it up with the group that did the survey.

And fine anything negative about india is media spin and conjecture, happy now?

[tusharlovesrafa]

Originally Posted by SLD76

No offense to Senti and Tushar....what isnt corrupt in India?

Police and political system is broken.

One party has taken to giving women box cutters and red pepper powder to fend off sexual assaults because women arent safe walking the streets.

Is anyone really shocked at this?

As a woman, I dont care if you gave me the Taj Mahal, you couldnt pay me to visit India.

Again, no offense to Sentinel and Tushar.

I think you are taking this too far.I do think our society is male dominated and we are still striving for gender equality.Change doesn't happen over night.New laws against **** will be passed in coming days.I have 3 sisters who walk their way to coachings and stuff and it's like they get eve-teased,I can assure you that atleast.

[SLD76]

Originally Posted by Polaris

gsharma and SLD76, I grew up in India and spent the first 20 years of my life there, so for what it is worth, here is my perspective:

(a) In rural and urban sections of society, where the level of education is low, the situation of women is quite bad. There isn't much revolt because many people - men and women - think that the status quo is just how things have always been and will always be, and they, unfortunately, do not know of a different state of society.

(b) In the more educated families, the situation of women is better. However, deep-seated prejudices linger in many of us, some of them have been passed down unchallenged through the generations via religion, caste, etc. Blind acceptance of these deep-seated prejudices explain stupid utterances like "They should dress conservatively", "They should not go out at night", etc. Sometimes, as when a mother utters this to her child, it is out of genuine worry, but when a police chief claims this as a remedy for the situation, it is distressing to hear.

(c) Unfortunately, it took a ghastly event like the one in Delhi to shake up the people. Even worse, I have been saddened by the response. Instead of carefully looking within ourselves, facing up to our cultural problems, and abandoning regressive and harmful aspects of it, the people have turned rage outward. The mob seems to have taken over, people ask for everything from public hangings to evisceration of the rapists. Unfortunately, making an example of someone by means of brutal punishment isn't the solution.

It is true that law enforcement is lacking, the police are callous, and the politicians are unconcerned. However, the problem is systemic and it will take a hard look at ourselves to address it. These are not just India's problems, but I guess, they exist in much of the developing (and some of the developed) world.

thank you for your honesty.

I agree completely with the bolded. We have a huge problem with frape in the military and we have a victim blaming mentality to a degree as well. Not universally speaking but it is not uncommon.

There is also a huge problem with athletes and **** in college. when you mix hormones, alcohol and entitlement, bad things are bound to happen.

ETA: the immediate response to the outrage may not be the most productive, but I think it was just a primal shout of generations of anger and frustration. Its people like you who can help take that energy and channel it to more positive directions.

[SLD76]

Originally Posted by tusharlovesrafa

I think you are taking this too far.I do think our society is male dominated and we are still striving for gender equality.Change doesn't happen over night.New laws against **** will be passed in coming days.I have 3 sisters who walk their way to coachings and stuff and it's like they get eve-teased,I can assure you that atleast.

I didnt say I approve, but there was talk of one politician advocating giving box cutters and pepper spray. another has advocated armed citizens patrol the streets.

the problem so much is needing new laws I think but just, enforcing the laws already on the books.

the good thing is the problem is getting attention and people are not willing to turn a blind eye.

would that that attitude wouldl spread to regions of africa, asia and the USA.

[gsharma]

Originally Posted by SLD76

take it up with the group that did the survey.

And fine anything negative about india is media spin and conjecture, happy now?

It has nothing to do with me being happy. I clearly acknowledged multiple times that there is a problem that I'd want rectified. I am just questioning your sources and your far-reaching inferences.

[SLD76]

Originally Posted by gsharma

It has nothing to do with me being happy. I clearly acknowledged multiple times that there is a problem that I'd want rectified. I am just questioning your sources and your far-reaching inferences.

Times of India, Guardian, BBC and Hindu Times are my sources, I have many articles bookmarked if you would like to read them.

[veroniquem]

Originally Posted by SLD76

**** is a problem worldwide its true.

but I can walk down the street without fear of being gang ra ped or eve teased.

In one week I read 10 different stories of women aged 5 yrs old to 45 being ra ped and/or gang ra ped, and in 3 of those cases the women(usually the young girls) were also killed.

What about the incident of the woman walking home and attacked in the streets by a mob of men while a news team taped the incident , this was last summer.

I suppose the random protests over the dehli case were imaginary too?

There are about 90,000 r-pes a year reported in the US. 90% of the victims are women, 10% are men (approximate numbers). (and unfortunately collective assault is not an Indian specialty) 99% of the perpetrators are males. The real question is always: which stories the media choose to report and why. There is usually an agenda behind that decision. (no doubt the Indian stories you mention are particularly gruesome and tragic in any case).

[Nitish]

seriously guys the thread is abt AITA

[tusharlovesrafa]

Originally Posted by SLD76

I didnt say I approve, but there was talk of one politician advocating giving box cutters and pepper spray. another has advocated armed citizens patrol the streets.

the problem so much is needing new laws I think but just, enforcing the laws already on the books.

the good thing is the problem is getting attention and people are not willing to turn a blind eye.

would that that attitude wouldl spread to regions of africa, asia and the USA.

You are forgetting it's India,politicians here will do anything to gain political mileage over there rivals.I don't even pay attention to what they say.

Just few days ago a MUSLIM politician spewed venom and said if Muslims in india get angry they will kill every hindu in sight, do you expect that to be taken seriously?

The problem lies with the people's mentality,the attitude toward girl child in india is appalling.People think girl as an unnecessary burden(more so in rural areas),and then you have the problem of dowry,it's some thing which has gone on for ages,you just can't change this things in a snap.

[kalyan4fedever]

How does a country with such rich culture became so poor..years of muslim and british invasions.

[tusharlovesrafa]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

There are about 90,000 r-pes a year reported in the US. 90% of the victims are women, 10% are men (approximate numbers). (and unfortunately collective assault is not an Indian specialty) 99% of the perpetrators are males. The real question is always: which stories the media choose to report and why. There is usually an agenda behind that decision. (no doubt the Indian stories you mention are particularly gruesome and tragic in any case).

USA has the highest CRIME RATE in the world.They have the highest number of rapes reported for any country.

[tusharlovesrafa]

Originally Posted by kalyan4fedever

How does a country with such rich culture became so poor..years of muslim and british invasions.

this thread is going to be deleted soon,it has been completely derailed..

[Tropikal_Knights]

Its not just the federation.

[Tropikal_Knights]

The **** incident showed an evident problem in that society.

Their feeble attempts at ameliorating the issue shows the reality of their consciousness.

[tusharlovesrafa]

Originally Posted by Tropikal_Knights

The **** incident showed an evident problem in that society.

Their feeble attempts at ameliorating the issue shows the reality of their consciousness.

The problem which evidently exists in US too.And no one was ameliorating the issues.Do you see demonstrations,public rallies and parades of school children to show their protest as a sign of amelioration??

Fortunately we are not like those people who will come out swaying their guns and killing innocent children in schools..

[veroniquem]

Originally Posted by tusharlovesrafa

USA has the highest CRIME RATE in the world.They have the highest number of rapes reported for any country.

That's why American citizens have no business looking down on other countries when it comes to crimes (there was an elementary school massacre/shooting near where I live. Should my daughter stop going to school?). The annual r-pe # in India is about 20,000 (vs 90,000 in the US). Sure, it's not clear how many go unreported in either country and in India the stats are slightly on the rise (22,000) while they are declining in the US (down to about 85, 000), still, looking at those numbers, I don't think Americans should feel in a strong position to condescend to other nations. I guess it's a natural human reflex to believe one's own country is superior or better in many ways but every country has their problems and their "claim to shame".

[Start da Game]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

That's why American citizens have no business looking down on other countries when it comes to crimes (there was an elementary school massacre/shooting near where I live. Should my daughter stop going to school?). The annual r-pe # in India is about 20,000 (vs 90,000 in the US). Sure, it's not clear how many go unreported in either country and in India the stats are slightly on the rise (22,000) while they are declining in the US (down to about 85, 000), still, looking at those numbers, I don't think Americans should feel in a strong position to condescend to other nations. I guess it's a natural human reflex to believe one's own country is superior or better in many ways but every country has their problems and their "claim to shame".

i was having a similar argument against people from usa at tennis forum.......i wondered what's their interest with problems of other countries........they were so ignorant about india, i had to shove a lot of information up their asses........

[Dark Magician]

Originally Posted by SLD76

No offense to Senti and Tushar....what isnt corrupt in India?

Police and political system is broken.

One party has taken to giving women box cutters and red pepper powder to fend off sexual assaults because women arent safe walking the streets.

Is anyone really shocked at this?

As a woman, I dont care if you gave me the Taj Mahal, you couldnt pay me to visit India.

Again, no offense to Sentinel and Tushar.

I understand your feelings. Situation is bad, but not ALL OVER India. Its kind of weird, in some places situation is horrible, where as in some other, its quite safe. Coming to the political system, its really corrupt, taking advantage of things like caste/religion etc for vote banks and all that. But the problems are totally expected when there is 18% of the world population in only 2-3% land area. And no doubt, India is Poor . That being said, you won't be able appreciate India till u live here. There is a great deal of spirituality here.
Just my 2 cents.

[tusharlovesrafa]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

That's why American citizens have no business looking down on other countries when it comes to crimes (there was an elementary school massacre/shooting near where I live. Should my daughter stop going to school?). The annual r-pe # in India is about 20,000 (vs 90,000 in the US). Sure, it's not clear how many go unreported in either country and in India the stats are slightly on the rise (22,000) while they are declining in the US (down to about 85, 000), still, looking at those numbers, I don't think Americans should feel in a strong position to condescend to other nations. I guess it's a natural human reflex to believe one's own country is superior or better in many ways but every country has their problems and their "claim to shame".

So true.India is a country with low levels of literacy so if a women is harassed she literally has no where to go,as she is unaware of her rights and laws.Where in US nearly every one is literate but being a rich country (per capita income is way higher than india) there is a deep sense of arrogance amongst(specially males) them which translates into so many rapes and other crimes.They can take drugs,booze,get unlimited access to porn and what not.

[tusharlovesrafa]

Originally Posted by Dark Magician

I understand your feelings. Situation is bad, but not ALL OVER India. Its kind of weird, in some places situation is horrible, where as in some other, its quite safe. Coming to the political system, its really corrupt, taking advantage of things like caste/religion etc for vote banks and all that. But the problems are totally expected when there is 18% of the world population in only 2-3% land area. And no doubt, India is Poor . That being said, you won't be able appreciate India till u live here. There is a great deal of spirituality here.
Just my 2 cents.

The bolded part is no logic..Even Japan has the same population density as India have.