Does anyone find this odd?

[db10s]

Originally Posted by chalkflewup

Your post sounds cool but please clarify what you mean. Within most corporations, the rule makers are the decision makers so I'm not sure I understand. What rule makers and what decision makers are you referring to as it relates to this thread?

The people that make the rules can put someone in a tournament.

[chalkflewup]

Originally Posted by db10s

The people that make the rules can put someone in a tournament.

But it wasn't a tournament it was a camp.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by chalkflewup

Your post sounds cool but please clarify what you mean. Within most corporations, the rule makers are the decision makers so I'm not sure I understand. What rule makers and what decision makers are you referring to as it relates to this thread?

Beyond corporations, I have not come across a youth sports organization that operates differently. AAU basketball, USA baseball, regional volleyball and soccer associations I am familiar with, Pop Warner football. Can anyone name a youth sports organization where the rule makers are not the decision makers?

[andfor]

These folks want a USTA Behavior Czar. Next thing you know kids will be getting suspended for crying, going to the bathroom, clothing violations, spilling their water, bad hair days, body oder, runny noses, back sassing they momma, skipping school, staying out too late, speeding tickets, listening to rap music and acne.

[Alohajrtennis]

Originally Posted by andfor

These folks want a USTA Behavior Czar. Next thing you know kids will be getting suspended for crying, going to the bathroom, clothing violations, spilling their water, bad hair days, body oder, runny noses, back sassing they momma, skipping school, staying out too late, speeding tickets, listening to rap music and acne.

I don't see that in anyone's posts. You're pretty much making that up. You are the one turning this upside down to make it seem like people want to punish him. Nobody said suspend him. The OP just seem to question the wisdom of rewarding someone who so recently exhibited pretty poor behavior. Participation in a camp like that should be reserved for players with exemplary behavior. Your arguments about the PPSS don't seem to apply becuase the PPSS rules specifically say a player with 10 points in 12 months shall be suspended from US Sanctioned Tournaments. As Chalk pointed out, this wasn't a tournament, it was a camp. So so much for that "logic".

I not sure I care that he was invited to the camp but it definitely doesn't really surprise me either. I just don't think not inviting him would be considered a punishment, and I can see why people are disappointing that he was getting rewarded so soon after that incident. Probably would have been his own best interests to take a break.

[chalkflewup]

If you want to point fingers, point them at the coach (tournament director) and the parent(s). That's where the real discipline should be levied.

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by Alohajrtennis

I don't see that in anyone's posts. You're pretty much making that up. You are the one turning this upside down to make it seem like people want to punish him. Nobody said suspend him. The OP just seem to question the wisdom of rewarding someone who so recently exhibited pretty poor behavior. Participation in a camp like that should be reserved for players with exemplary behavior. Your arguments about the PPSS don't seem to apply becuase the PPSS rules specifically say a player with 10 points in 12 months shall be suspended from US Sanctioned Tournaments. As Chalk pointed out, this wasn't a tournament, it was a camp. So so much for that "logic".

I not sure I care that he was invited to the camp but it definitely doesn't really surprise me either. I just don't think not inviting him would be considered a punishment, and I can see why people are disappointing that he was getting rewarded so soon after that incident. Probably would have been his own best interests to take a break.

HIT it on the nail.
They actually would have been doing Perez a favor,
if someone called him and said,

"You were going to the Junior Davis Camp, but due to your poor sportsmanship,
you will not be attending the camp this year.
We hope that in the future, you will conduct yourself with dignity and respect towards yours opponent,
and we will see you at future camps."

Wouldn't that have been more meaningful. Actions have consequences. You learn from your mistakes.

But, none of that occurred.

Or, and this is even scarier, the USTA is completely out of touch and doesn't even know what goes on in
a USTA National Tournaments in their own backyard in Florida.....

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by chalkflewup

If you want to point fingers, point them at the coach (tournament director) and the parent(s). That's where the real discipline should be levied.

I see your 20 year old speeding and texting, and I wonder why the police haven't given him a ticket,
and you are telling me that the driving instructor/parent should have done a better job.

Chalk, that ship has sailed....

Let's just say that when you see a teenager cursing and throwing their racquet all over,
it is not their first time, it's been done before, and has become a bad habit.

This boy has been playing for a few years, corrections on misbehavior/sportsmanship should have been made a long time ago....

The young man got his punishment by being warned twice, and then third time - defaulted.

The question being raised here is on what appears to be a mistiming of a reward.

I might have raised this question on an internet board, but it is being discussed across the country...

The USTA hired a PR firm to advise them on how to proceed or handle the membership of the USTA on the 2014 changes,
but they consistently just appear to be out of touch with the general public on what is appropriate for juniors.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by tennis5

HIT it on the nail.
They actually would have been doing Perez a favor,
if someone called him and said,

"You were going to the Junior Davis Camp, but due to your poor sportsmanship,
you will not be attending the camp this year.
We hope that in the future, you will conduct yourself with dignity and respect towards yours opponent,
and we will see you at future camps."

Wouldn't that have been more meaningful. Actions have consequences. You learn from your mistakes.

But, none of that occurred.

Or, and this is even scarier, the USTA is completely out of touch and doesn't even know what goes on in
a USTA National Tournaments in their own backyard in Florida.....

Bryan brothers sponsored this camp. If Bob or Mike took this poor kid out of the camp, I believe that the twins would have done him a big favor. He will forever remember this incident and might even use it as a motivation to improve mental toughness and eventually become a better player.

[chalkflewup]

Originally Posted by tennis5

I see your 20 year old speeding and texting, and I wonder why the police haven't given him a ticket,
and you are telling me that the driving instructor/parent should have done a better job.

Chalk, that ship has sailed....

Let's just say that when you see a teenager cursing and throwing their racquet all over,
it is not their first time, it's been done before, and has become a bad habit.

This boy has been playing for a few years, corrections on misbehavior/sportsmanship should have been made a long time ago....

The young man got his punishment by being warned twice, and then third time - defaulted.

The question being raised here is on what appears to be a mistiming of a reward.

I might have raised this question on an internet board, but it is being discussed across the country...

The USTA hired a PR firm to advise them on how to proceed or handle the membership of the USTA on the 2014 changes,
but they consistently just appear to be out of touch with the general public on what is appropriate for juniors.

The texting analogy doesn't fly and the ship has not sailed. I can bring this thread to closure very quickly...

As a parent, what would you have done if this was your kid that was disqualified from the tournament? Just answer the question.

[andfor]

He was defaulted in the biggest tournament at his home club. That was his punishment.

If its a "camp" what's that have to do with s non-related "tournament"?

Wake up people!

[chalkflewup]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Bryan brothers sponsored this camp. If Bob or Mike took this poor kid out of the camp, I believe that the twins would have done him a big favor. He will forever remember this incident and might even use it as a motivation to improve mental toughness and eventually become a better player.

They did not sponsor this camp. That was something entirely different.

[NLBwell]

Originally Posted by RF20Lennon

I honestly dont even get why sh*t is a curse word in America. In other countries its just like saying "crap"

And when did that become not a curse word?
It used to be until a few years ago. I would never let my kids say that and I don't say it.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by NLBwell

And when did that become not a curse word?
It used to be until a few years ago. I would never let my kids say that and I don't say it.

The world has changed so much. Recently, I heard a kid yelled at his mom in F word, just because the mom said something to him after he struggled but won a doubles match in the tiebreak!

[10ismom]

Originally Posted by Chemist

The world has changed so much. Recently, I heard a kid yelled at his mom in F word, just because the mom said something to him after he struggled but won a doubles match in the tiebreak!

His mom should default him from that match.

If his mom saying something was coaching, they both (mom and son) should have been defaulted by the ref.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by 10ismom

His mom should default him from that match.

If his mom saying something was coaching, I would say they both (mom and son) should have be defaulted by the ref.

Unfortunately she won't. She might have taught the kid how to win at all costs, like cursing his opponent, taking long bathroom break when losing, making "close call" at big points,....

[10ismom]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Unfortunately she won't. She might have taught the kid how to win at all costs, like cursing his opponent, taking long bathroom break when losing, making "close call" at big points,....

That is sad.

She is raising a loser....not a winner.

[tennisforlife77]

The issue here is the way in which USTA sponsored kids behave themselves - I don't know whether this kids trains with the USTA or not but this is a USTA funded camp and sportsmanship should be among the criteria for selection. It would appear this kid would not pass that test. Similarly the USTA grants WC's to PD kids and then stands by and says nothing as they no show in the back draw! It is a symptom of an organization with no accountability.

[chalkflewup]

Originally Posted by tennisforlife77

The issue here is the way in which USTA sponsored kids behave themselves - I don't know whether this kids trains with the USTA or not but this is a USTA funded camp and sportsmanship should be among the criteria for selection. It would appear this kid would not pass that test. Similarly the USTA grants WC's to PD kids and then stands by and says nothing as they no show in the back draw! It is a symptom of an organization with no accountability.

You are making a general blanket statement that isn't entirely true. A lot of kids skip the back draw. But if this bothers you, then your feelings should apply to any kid that skips the back draw regardless of where they train.

[andfor]

Yea, the USTA needs to rule jr tennis with an iron fist and utter lack of companion for all the kids. Kids are robots and should all act like Björn Borg.