Silent Bans - A Real thing?

[frinton]

Maybe silent bans are mainly sourced by silent little voices that speak inside the heads of many fellow tt-posters? For me it sounds too much like urban legends & conspiracy theories...

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by mariecon

Like I said, it was probably a silent ban. They wouldn't expose him as it would be bad for the sport so they disguise it as a lesser infraction. But you know if a tennis player misses 3 OOC tests in an 18 month period they are supposed to be suspended? Why does this surprise you? How else can you ensure they get tested? I still think that's too lenient.

It isn't a silent ban. Other players have described that day in their autobiographies. Ryan Giggs also had a drug test that day not long after training, and was asked by the tester if he had seen Rio. Giggs said that he hadn't. Soon afterwards, there was controversy all over the media about it, and it dragged on and on and on and on, with people like Dick Pound wanting a draconian sentence. 4 months after the missed test, Ferdinand had to serve an 8 month ban.

As for the testing system in tennis, I personally advocate blood tests for every single player during all tournaments. Why isn't this done? The almighty dollar/pound/euro, that's why.

[coloskier]

If one of the big 4 HAD gotten a positive test and it got out, the damage done to tennis in general would be 10 times the damage that Lance brought to the cycling world. Sponsors pulling out, tournaments getting cancelled, etc. That is why I believe that this is Nadal's 2ND silent ban.

[Tennis_Hands]

Originally Posted by Mustard

As for the testing system in tennis, I personally advocate blood tests for every single player during all tournaments. Why isn't this done? The almighty dollar/pound/euro, that's why.

You do not know much about doping, do you?

And, where is the evidence, that that is the reason for the lack of testing?

[raging]

Originally Posted by Tennis_Hands

You do not know much about doping, do you?

And, where is the evidence, that that is the reason for the lack of testing?

I am trying to learn more about blood doping in sports.

1.Murray has indicated that cost is the problem!(He has volunteered to pay some of the costs himself, not sure if his fellow players will be well pleased)

2.Dr Stuart Miller from the ITF has also discussed the insufficient budget of the ITF for Drug Testing.In other words they are trying to get more money to extend the programme. Where from?

3. Richard Ings, ex-ATP(Corruption & Drug Testing) & Australian Sports Drug Testing Agency has highlighted the difficulties & high costs
of a Drug Testing Program.

With regard to these 3 as sources & all the possibilities of a silent ban/conspiracy amongst ATP/WTA?ITF:

Does anyone know what a single Blood Test for EPO<HGH< etc costs?
I get figures from $100US-$500US depending on whether the test is on site at a tournament OR out of competition testing where Anti Doping Officials have to fly/travel to a players home to carry out the test: COST UNKNOWN?

Anyone?

[Goosehead]

Originally Posted by MasturB

Best part of that news headline was the fact that his name is DICK POUND.

DICK POUND..it sounds like a made up name for a porn star

[SLD76]

Originally Posted by mariecon

Of course you wouldn't. Why would anyone pay attention to someone who headed WADA and was vice prez of the IOC? Clearly he knows nothing about doping in sports.

mustard is a doping apologist extraordinaire.

he also dislikes big govt and bureacracy.

[marc45]

Originally Posted by coloskier

If one of the big 4 HAD gotten a positive test and it got out, the damage done to tennis in general would be 10 times the damage that Lance brought to the cycling world. Sponsors pulling out, tournaments getting cancelled, etc. That is why I believe that this is Nadal's 2ND silent ban.

we all need to believe in something

[Tennis_Hands]

Originally Posted by raging

I am trying to learn more about blood doping in sports.

1.Murray has indicated that cost is the problem!(He has volunteered to pay some of the costs himself, not sure if his fellow players will be well pleased)

2.Dr Stuart Miller from the ITF has also discussed the insufficient budget of the ITF for Drug Testing.In other words they are trying to get more money to extend the programme. Where from?

3. Richard Ings, ex-ATP(Corruption & Drug Testing) & Australian Sports Drug Testing Agency has highlighted the difficulties & high costs
of a Drug Testing Program.

With regard to these 3 as sources & all the possibilities of a silent ban/conspiracy amongst ATP/WTA?ITF:

Does anyone know what a single Blood Test for EPO<HGH< etc costs?
I get figures from $100US-$500US depending on whether the test is on site at a tournament OR out of competition testing where Anti Doping Officials have to fly/travel to a players home to carry out the test: COST UNKNOWN?

Anyone?

If cycling, a sport, that generates less revenue, can do doping tests regularly, sure tennis can as well.

It is a matter of will and intention.

[mariecon]

Originally Posted by Tennis_Hands

If cycling, a sport, that generates less revenue, can do doping tests regularly, sure tennis can as well.

It is a matter of will and intention.

yes but as coloskier said, they simply have no desire to catch anyone. If someone gets a silent ban then they must have been very very naughty indeed. Like by winning a grand slam dirty. A six month time out in the corner should teach them a lesson but it doesn't because they know they can get away with it again and again and their reputation will remain unsullied.

[Hood_Man]

This thread became a lot more interesting when Dick Pound came on board. Sound like the arch enemy of Orgasmo the Superhero.

[raging]

Originally Posted by Tennis_Hands

If cycling, a sport, that generates less revenue, can do doping tests regularly, sure tennis can as well.

It is a matter of will and intention.

Not a matter of money?

[Goosehead]

Originally Posted by Hood_Man

This thread became a lot more interesting when Dick Pound came on board. Sound like the arch enemy of Orgasmo the Superhero.

like He-man and Skeletor ...

hahahahahhehehehehha soooooooo Heeee maan..we meet again..?, not so fast Skeletor..

yes DICK POUND vs ORGASMO THE SUPERHERO.. the outfits they wear are gonna be interesting

[CMM]

Originally Posted by BrooklynNY

Doctor Luis Garcia del Moral is best known for setting up the doping system for the US Postal cycling team, he also had more than a decade of guiding tennis players at the Spanish TenisVal Academy. A tennis player my former company managed went to train at TenisVal some years ago – breaking her contract to do so. She returned to Croatia leaner, stronger and with notable skin irritations. It came as no surprise that a random drugs test found her to have taken anabolic steroids, amongst other banned drugs. She received a 6 month ban and went back on tour. The governing body of tennis, the ITF, were informed fully of what had happened, yet in the 6 years that have passed nothing has happened.

Am I the only one who can't find the silent ban part? It only says the player received a six month ban.

[citybert]

When Michael Jordan retired for 2 years, many people were convinced that it was a silent ban for his gambling problems maybe even him betting on his own team. It's possible and I believe there is even a book written about this. There is some evidence of this but no smoking gun, only he knows and David Stern.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by CMM

Am I the only one who can't find the silent ban part? It only says the player received a six month ban.

It was apparently a six month ban which was never announced by the ITF. The ITF had the information and never did anything about it.

[CMM]

Originally Posted by cc0509

It was apparently a six month ban which was never announced by the ITF. The ITF had the information and never did anything about it.

Maybe but that piece of text doesn't mention that. It only says the player was banned.
When it says the ITF had the information and did nothing I think he's talking about Del Moral and the tennis academy from Valencia.

[Murrayfan31]

The answer is yes. Nadal is living proof that is exist.

[Vrad]

Originally Posted by OddJack

Makes for good stories, but things like this cant be kept silent. Too many things involved at too many levels.

Amazing that someone can actually believe what you are saying after the whole Lance Armstrong scandal.

And unlike cycling, which is a team sport, tennis is an individual one, where everyone sticks to their own schedules and stuff. If Armstrong could have kept it silent for so long, it is laughable to believe that a tennis player could not.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by CMM

Maybe but that piece of text doesn't mention that. It only says the player was banned.
When it says the ITF had the information and did nothing I think he's talking about Del Moral and the tennis academy from Valencia.

No it doesn't. It says this:

"She received a 6 month ban and went back on tour. The governing body of tennis, the ITF, were informed fully of what had happened, yet in the 6 years that have passed nothing has happened."

That means the ITF never announced that this player was banned. She probably went off of tour announcing some sort of injury and nothing was ever mentioned about any ban.