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Old 02-01-2013, 06:47 PM   #21
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If you are going to do research by asking the men of TT, you are going to fail your class.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:39 PM   #22
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Seems to me you are going to need to define your terms. Sex equality in sports could mean men playing women in the same tournament. In that case, no women would be able to make a living.

On the other hand, in tennis, big tournaments have been guilted into paying women the same amount as the men. I have my suspicions that ATP tennis draws more fans ($s) than WTA tennis, but I haven't seen the numbers. When it comes to sports participation, there's no question that men are more interested in sports than women.
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:21 AM   #23
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Does anyone have data on attendance for ATP and WTA events where men and women compete separately?

I know BOTW is a WTA event only, and the stadium can hold less than 2K spectators. The ATP holds an event in the bay area as well, the SAP Open. That event's held at HP Pavilion, but only about half the seating is used, so the capacity may be around 9K or so.

So of the two events held in the bay area, BOTW and SAP, the men's event is held in a venue with a seating capacity more than 4X that of the women's pro event.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:51 PM   #24
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If you are going to do research by asking the men of TT, you are going to fail your class.
OW!



That said OP, she does have a point.

Further to that end, couldn't the title of this thread have read "Please Do My Homework For Me" ? ? ?


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Old 02-02-2013, 01:36 PM   #25
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One of the colleges that I went to has mens and womens hockey. Tickets for mens hockey run $30-$40. There are no tickets for womens hockey. You just walk into the arena. The women were practicing one time when we were there. There was noone in the seats.
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If you are going to do research by asking the men of TT, you are going to fail your class.
If a student may not make his grade writing an essay in an English class because of his PC or not PC viewpoints, then our educational system is in much deeper problem than I thought..
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If a student may not make his grade writing an essay in an English class because of his PC or not PC viewpoints, then our educational system is in much deeper problem than I thought..
No, the student may or may not make his grade because of his research methods, his sources, and their quality (or lack thereof). Citing us random yahoos on this board won't get him anywhere--nor should it. Whether his essay is PC or not, I'll bet if it's cogently argued and logically organized with successful research, it will do well.

OP: good luck. Are you in high school? Have you found some decent sources? I would think tennis would be an excellent sport to study because the sport is played by both women and men to relatively equal degrees of success, fame, monetary gain, etc. and the remuneration for each tour can be easily accessed and discussed in a comparison.

I hope you're consulting more authoritative sources than guys called "maleyoyo" on tennis boards, anyway. Good luck to you.
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:14 PM   #28
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Most women' sports suck compared to the men's equivalent. The exceptions might be figure skating and gymnastics.

Women's hockey? Freakin' shoot me!

The Lingerie League is okay. Mark Rypien's daughter plays in that league on was on TV a few weeks back. Wow!

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The Lingerie League is okay. Mark Rypien's daughter plays in that league on was on TV a few weeks back. Wow!
Sadly its over. The lingerie league is something of the past. Cool concept but they moved on.
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:57 PM   #30
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No, the student may or may not make his grade because of his research methods, his sources, and their quality (or lack thereof). Citing us random yahoos on this board won't get him anywhere--nor should it. Whether his essay is PC or not, I'll bet if it's cogently argued and logically organized with successful research, it will do well.

OP: good luck. Are you in high school? Have you found some decent sources? I would think tennis would be an excellent sport to study because the sport is played by both women and men to relatively equal degrees of success, fame, monetary gain, etc. and the remuneration for each tour can be easily accessed and discussed in a comparison.

I hope you're consulting more authoritative sources than guys called "maleyoyo" on tennis boards, anyway. Good luck to you.
This is rich. Yep OP please listen to the internet guy named “gully”, not the guy named “maleyoyo”
What are you…14 years old? Read my post again.
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Sadly its over. The lingerie league is something of the past. Cool concept but they moved on.
Still around. Now called the Legends League or some such. They lost the garter belts is about the only change, I think.
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Still around. Now called the Legends League or some such. They lost the garter belts is about the only change, I think.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:33 PM   #33
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My English class is writing essays based on real world issues. I chose to do an essay about gender equality in sports because I see the topic of different prize money values to men and women in tennis all the time in these forums.

I know this might be an issue only found in tennis, but I would like to find out if there is any inequality in other sports as well. Things that can be equal/unequal pay, endorsements, media exposure, and performance based issues.

As of right now, this might be a big controversial issue so I am not choosing a side yet (women should compete equally as men OR women need special conditions in order to compete alongside men). I would like to see how much information I get before I choose a side.

I would like to use credible sources I can take quotes from. Interviews and press conferences would be nice too. This doesn't have to be just TENNIS. ANY sport is welcome to put their input here.

Thanks!
In terms of gender equality, some sports which are more female centered or I should say women athletes get more attention tend to be mocked by the media when male athletes compete in them. Female figure skaters get more respect than male figure skaters. Even though men's figure skating is technically more difficult since more men need to do a quad jump in order to be taken seriously by the judges. The hardest jump the women do is a triple lutz. Although Miki Ando I think and another Japanese female skater can do a triple axel.

For instance, there are certain sports that the sports media consider "soft" for men due to the heterosexism and the homophobia of male sports journalists. For instance, men's figure skating and men's diving gets classified as "gay" because they aren't viewed as masculine sports. Men's diving gets a lot of flack because the male divers have to shave their bodies and also wear extremely tight speedos. Not that there is anything wrong with that though

I remember watching the Olympics last year and let me tell you the male divers are probably the most gorgeous, and handsome men at the Olympic games. These guys are extremely fit, got great abs, muscles, and are just amazing athletes and really hot too!!!


Male divers are often thought of as gay even though I am sure plenty of them are straight. Diving is actually a very difficult sport which requires a lot of core strength, leg strength to be able to do the twists and tricks.

I think you can look at figure skating, not in terms of money but in terms of double standards in relation to how they are treated in the media. Figure skating is considered a "graceful" sport yet the male figure skaters are told they have to hide their homosexuality and also appear as masculine as possible. There was a controversy at the last Olympics in Vancouver a few years ago when the American Johnny Weir an openly gay skater got sixth place instead of ending up on the podium. Some skating fans say the judging at the Olympics was homophobia and the judges were punishing Johnny Weir because he is very flamboyant and he doesn't hide his queerness.

Maybe you can also look at the LPGA the women golfers make less money than the male golfers. Also, there was an issue a few years ago about a transgender female a person who transitioned from male to female who wanted to compete on the women's tour. However, the LPGA had a policy that only people biologically born female are allowed to compete on the women's tour. I heard the LPGA has since changed the policy and I think transgender people can compete in women's golf.

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Old 02-06-2013, 06:44 AM   #34
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I am currently a freshman in college.

The purpose of this post was to expand my knowledge on other sports. Finding articles in the topic I'm studying is EASY when it comes to tennis, but not other sports.

My essay is pretty much about a controversy and choosing a side while backing it up with evidence. I accept both sides of the argument because if I have a point against my side, I can create a counter argument to further support my claim. I think more from the female perspective would help with my essay.

...And no. I am not asking the TT community to do my assignment for me. I'm here pretty often and found a lot of the posters here know what they're talking about. I thought it would be interesting to get a few opinions while finding a few articles on other sports.

I am currently proposing the topic to my professor and it was approved with flying colors thanks to the TT community (or at least the ones that helped...).

Feel free to keep posting!
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A large portion of males in northamerican, european, southamerican, and asian cultures divert a good deal of their past time to watching male league sports. A significant number of males divert a good portion of their income to sport of their interest.

What incentive will there be to attact large portions of females to watching female sports, and diverting males to switch half of their viewing time and dollars to watching female pro sports?
This is nicely put. There have been efforts at pro female teams of various sorts, but it doesn't work out. The audience prefers male sports because men are inherently faster and stronger---so the athletic performance is more compelling.

The real question is . . . what do WOMEN want from being sports spectators? (I hope the answer isn't tight pants on football players).
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Interestingly enough to me, when I watch pro tennis I watch the males in order to be amazed. . . but when I want to watch pro tennis in order to learn something useful for myself, I have always--since the Evert Era---watched the women. That's much more translatable to a mere mortal Max.
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I am currently a freshman in college.

The purpose of this post was to expand my knowledge on other sports. Finding articles in the topic I'm studying is EASY when it comes to tennis, but not other sports.

My essay is pretty much about a controversy and choosing a side while backing it up with evidence. I accept both sides of the argument because if I have a point against my side, I can create a counter argument to further support my claim. I think more from the female perspective would help with my essay.

...And no. I am not asking the TT community to do my assignment for me. I'm here pretty often and found a lot of the posters here know what they're talking about. I thought it would be interesting to get a few opinions while finding a few articles on other sports.

I am currently proposing the topic to my professor and it was approved with flying colors thanks to the TT community (or at least the ones that helped...).

Feel free to keep posting!
Since this is an English class, the topic shouldn’t be your primary focus. As long as you narrow the scope of your topic so that you can easily form your arguments, provide supporting facts, and give your own views of the issue, you should be fine.
This is your freshman year; your prof expects to see a well-written, well organized essay, covering all the fundamental aspects of how to write an essay, not some fancy tell all story about men/women equalities.
I could be wrong but this is how it was for me. A lot of people struggled with it because they worried too much about style, not substance.
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I'm a com. college instructor, and the above poster is telling you the truth here. You are in a situation in which your teacher wants to see if you can write.

God I see awful writing anymore. And the high school teachers all tell me its because of don't ask/don't tell. . . I mean, no kid left behind. Whatever. At any rate, it is to show your dispassionate logic, your reasoning and not an effort to get politically hot and emotional.
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Those last two posts are quite right.

Why not write an essay about the equality/or not of your school's men's and women's sports.

Sadly, you may find both exist. Title 9 was an attempt to level the field in terms of opportunity to participate(simply stated) and succeeded in some regard. So there is "equality". But, particularly true if you're at a big school, men's football(SEC/Big Ten/etc) and basketball(ACC/Big East/etc) are the money makers that support most all other collegiate sports programs....
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just wrote an article on the very topic. might be of interest to OP

http://indecentxposure.com/grind/3f6...948fe612d1962/

an interesting sport to look into is motorsports, where men and women compete side by side at almost all the levels. in a way, women racing drivers have a biological ADVANTAGE compared to men of similar skill levels due to being shorter/lighter in general. not saying that they have access to the same quantity and quality of opportunities, though.

http://indecentxposure.com/grind/d05...c50117860a9ac/
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