Who in the current WTA has the best chance of beating an in-form Serena?

[DropShotArtist]

Originally Posted by Phoenix1983

Dude, are you Serena's promoter?

All you ever do is rhapsodize about her.

We all know Sharapova has an awful recent record against Serena but she did demolish her in the W final 2004, and beat her again in the YEC final in 2004, so please don't pretend Serena is some kind of unbeatable goddess.

Yup, well said, even for a Nadaltard! Masha destroyed a young and athletic Serena at her peak in 2004 on her best surface.

[TennisCanada1]

I think skill-wise Azarenka, but I think that Sharapova has this persona on court that displays NO fear of Serena, while Azarenka is a bit more emotionally flaky. I'd go with Sharapova, she's ruthless.

[MichaelNadal]

LMAO at Sharapova having the best chance of taking an in-form Serena out.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by TennisCanada1

I think skill-wise Azarenka, but I think that Sharapova has this persona on court that displays NO fear of Serena

LOL when is the last Sharapova-Serena match you watched? 2005 or something. The fact Sharapova gets ANY dicussion on this topic is only proof this is an ATP only (correct that Federer only) forum which doesnt have the faintest clue of womens tennis. Anyone who actually does follow womens tennis knows Sharapova is the least likely person in the top 30 to beat any kind of Serena in a match anytime soon.

[TERRASTAR18]

Originally Posted by Phoenix1983

Dude, are you Serena's promoter?

All you ever do is rhapsodize about her.

We all know Sharapova has an awful recent record against Serena but she did demolish her in the W final 2004, and beat her again in the YEC final in 2004, so please don't pretend Serena is some kind of unbeatable goddess.

2 fluke matches in 2004 vs their complete h2h,are you serious? and serena was peak? serena was at the peak of a gurney maybe.....because a month later serena pulled out of the olympics....

[Polaris]

I agree with NadalAgassi that an in-form Serena is very hard for Sharapova to beat. My view is that Serena, even when she is in the best of form, is not the best mover. However, her combination of decent movement and incredible power is overwhelming for most players. So, to defeat an in-form Serena you would need one of two combinations:
(1) Enough power to return Serena's serve and pacy groundstrokes with interest, basically feeding Serena her own medicine.
(2) Excellent movement around the court and imagination to disrupt and neutralize Serena's power game.

Regarding (1), if Kvitova had a crazy day in which she actually concentrated for more than the length of a set, she could do it.

Regarding (2), I'd probably also go with Li Na. I don't know enough about Azarenka's best form to comment, since I automatically turn away from her matches owing to her godawful shrieking.

[TERRASTAR18]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

LOL when is the last Sharapova-Serena match you watched? 2005 or something. The fact Sharapova gets ANY dicussion on this topic is only proof this is an ATP only (correct that Federer only) forum which doesnt have the faintest clue of womens tennis. Anyone who actually does follow womens tennis knows Sharapova is the least likely person in the top 30 to beat any kind of Serena in a match anytime soon.

the laughable part is maria would disagree with them.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by TERRASTAR18

the laughable part is maria would disagree with them.

It is not a diss on Maria either. Maria is definitely one of the best active players, and her power and mental toughness is probably 2nd to only Serena. It is just that everyone who knows squat about womens tennis knows how that matchup has been for the last 8 years. Also when playing Serena is one of the few times Maria seems to lose her usual mental toughness and fight, Serena in addition to being a superior player and a horrible technical matchup has definitely got into her head as well.

Phoenix1983 as for your laughable post, yes Maria spanked Serena once almost a whole decade ago, and Serena has spanked Maria about 9 more times since then, including about 4 brutal beatdowns last year. So your point is what exactly? As for impying Serena is an unbeatable goddess, well if that is the implication we would be saying god Maria is obviously her toughest opponent just because she managed to beat her a whole 9 years ago, yet that is what nobody (except a few like yourself who follow no WTA) is saying.

[Goosehead]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

LOL when is the last Sharapova-Serena match you watched? 2005 or something. The fact Sharapova gets ANY dicussion on this topic is only proof this is an ATP only (correct that Federer only) forum which doesnt have the faintest clue of womens tennis. Anyone who actually does follow womens tennis knows Sharapova is the least likely person in the top 30 to beat any kind of Serena in a match anytime soon.

still not got over wimby 04..?..had you had already pencilled in a win for lance....never mind.

[Phoenix1983]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Phoenix1983 as for your laughable post, yes Maria spanked Serena once almost a whole decade ago, and Serena has spanked Maria about 9 more times since then, including about 4 brutal beatdowns last year. So your point is what exactly?

My point was to bring you back to reality in terms of your ranking of Serena i.e. saying she is contention with Graf for GOAT, that it's impossible for Sharapova to beat her, and all the other ridiculous fanboyism you spout off on a daily basis about Serena.

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

As for impying Serena is an unbeatable goddess, well if that is the implication we would be saying god Maria is obviously her toughest opponent just because she managed to beat her a whole 9 years ago, yet that is what nobody (except a few like yourself who follow no WTA) is saying.

I do follow WTA. You just like to say I don't because I point out your silly arguments about the Seles stabbing, Serena, Capriati and others.

[DropShotArtist]

Originally Posted by Phoenix1983

ridiculous fanboyism you spout off on a daily basis

That pretty much sums of NA's posting career even as far back as his other aliases like Davey25.

[TERRASTAR18]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

It is not a diss on Maria either. Maria is definitely one of the best active players, and her power and mental toughness is probably 2nd to only Serena. It is just that everyone who knows squat about womens tennis knows how that matchup has been for the last 8 years. Also when playing Serena is one of the few times Maria seems to lose her usual mental toughness and fight, Serena in addition to being a superior player and a horrible technical matchup has definitely got into her head as well.

Phoenix1983 as for your laughable post, yes Maria spanked Serena once almost a whole decade ago, and Serena has spanked Maria about 9 more times since then, including about 4 brutal beatdowns last year. So your point is what exactly? As for impying Serena is an unbeatable goddess, well if that is the implication we would be saying god Maria is obviously her toughest opponent just because she managed to beat her a whole 9 years ago, yet that is what nobody (except a few like yourself who follow no WTA) is saying.

no doubt maris is the best player not named serena but it is clearly a sampras -agassi situation with serena as pete and maria as andre.

[Sid_Vicious]

Originally Posted by TERRASTAR18

no doubt maris is the best player not named serena but it is clearly a sampras -agassi situation with serena as pete and maria as andre.

That is a pretty disrespectful to Agassi. I mean Sharapova has not beaten Serena in what? Like 8 years now?

Agassi lost a lot of big matches to Sampras, but he was always a very worthy rival. Agassi went 3-6 against Pete in GS, 5-4 in master series matches, 2-4 in YEC championships, 7-9 in all finals they played, and was able score wins over Sampras regularly for 14 years . Also, Andre was superior to Sampras in 2 majors: AO and FO. Sharapova does not have the edge over Serena in any major

[dominikk1985]

On a perfect day some players can beat serena. serena did not play bad against stosur but she played out of her mind in that USO final.


but doing this consistently is another story. Does anyone have a positive h2h against her (at least 4-5 matches)?

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by dominikk1985

On a perfect day some players can beat serena. serena did not play bad against stosur but she played out of her mind in that USO final.


but doing this consistently is another story. Does anyone have a positive h2h against her (at least 4-5 matches)?

The top players with the closest head to heads with her are all retired, except for Venus who is a corpse:

Henin: 6-8
Hingis: 6-7
Capriati: 7-10

I think Stosur is 3-6 which is pretty respectable. Of the current top 10 the players with the best chances to beat an in form Serena in order:

1. Na
2. Kvitova
3. Stosur
4. Kerber
5. Azarenka
6. Bartoli

----huge gap----(aka the remaining players are all 0 or something below 0 in this scenario)


7. Radwanska
8. Sharapova
9. Errani


The best chances to beat an out of form Serena in order:

1. Azarenka
2. Radwanska
3. Kerber
4. Stosur
5. Bartoli
6. Na
7. Kvitova

-----huge gap----(aka the remaining players are something close to 0 even in his scenario)


8. Sharapova
9. Errani

Basically Sharapova and Errani are no hopers in either scenario at this point.

[Tennusdude]

Serena in rare form< lolololol

[Phoenix1983]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Basically Sharapova and Errani are no hopers in either scenario at this point.

Sharapova is definitely capable of beating Serena. I can see you're inflexible on this so not going to argue any further with you though.

[TERRASTAR18]

Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

That is a pretty disrespectful to Agassi. I mean Sharapova has not beaten Serena in what? Like 8 years now?

Agassi lost a lot of big matches to Sampras, but he was always a very worthy rival. Agassi went 3-6 against Pete in GS, 5-4 in master series matches, 2-4 in YEC championships, 7-9 in all finals they played, and was able score wins over Sampras regularly for 14 years . Also, Andre was superior to Sampras in 2 majors: AO and FO. Sharapova does not have the edge over Serena in any major

agassi himself,in his book open said he had a bit of an inferiority complex to pete, seems like mmaria has one in regards to serena. that's really what i meant to say....

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Originally Posted by always_crosscourt

The poll is limited to top 10 players, but say if you think some scrub from down low in the rankings can take it to her.

Azarenka has the best chance. The rest have to rely on Serena suffering from injury, emotionalism, etc., in order to even have a shot at beating her.

[abmk]

Originally Posted by TERRASTAR18

no doubt maris is the best player not named serena but it is clearly a sampras -agassi situation with serena as pete and maria as andre.

Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious

That is a pretty disrespectful to Agassi. I mean Sharapova has not beaten Serena in what? Like 8 years now?

Agassi lost a lot of big matches to Sampras, but he was always a very worthy rival. Agassi went 3-6 against Pete in GS, 5-4 in master series matches, 2-4 in YEC championships, 7-9 in all finals they played, and was able score wins over Sampras regularly for 14 years . Also, Andre was superior to Sampras in 2 majors: AO and FO. Sharapova does not have the edge over Serena in any major

yes, this ... nowhere close ...