When was the last time Fed played the best he was able to? - Page 3

The-Champ · 02-10-2013, 05:17 PM

Despite his achievement on the surface, for me Federer is the 2nd greatest clay courter ever.

The_Order · 02-10-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by abmk

2011 semi, absolutely ... final, no ...he was just good ..

Yes, the SF he played his best level because he won. However, due to losing the final we can draw the conclusion that he wasn't playing his best level.

Let's forget that he lost SP in the first set due to a drop shot that missed by half an inch (apparently this is choking), then Rafa breaks back with 2 UEs from Fed and 2 FEs. I can tell you now that in Federer's highest level matches there have been service games where he's made 2 UEs before. When Nadal broke him to get the set he outplayed him. The only time Fed's level dropped was the 4th set. In the previous 3 sets he was playing just as well as in the SF and was still getting outplayed by a below his best Rafa.

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Originally Posted by abmk

2012 wimbledon semi, he was very good and djokovic was good ...djokovic seemed worse than he actually was because of federer's brilliant serving and first strike tennis taking him out of his strike zone ...

Just like Fed seemed worse in 08 WIM final because of Nadal's level being higher than the previous year. Nadal's improved serving and defence/movement on grass was causing more errors from Federer.

TTMR · 02-10-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by zagor

Oh hardy, har har, such razor sharp wit.

Two and a half years of playing at your best is still better than a single year and some change and being in massive decline, having no BH, WTA serve, being old etc. at the age of 24.

Personally, I've always been of the belief that the shorter your prime/peak, the more talented of a player you are.

Safin's peak was September 2000 and January 2005. No player could beat that Safin. I've never cared about consistency. If you've worked in a factory for 30 years, that doesn't make you a great worker. It just makes you reliable. If you worked in a factory for a year and then became the boss and radically improve the company in a month and then retire to your yacht and Mercedes, then you're a great worker. You've done more in that month than the roughneck has done his entire career.

abmk · 02-10-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Order

Yes, the SF he played his best level because he won. However, due to losing the final we can draw the conclusion that he wasn't playing his best level.

Let's forget that he lost SP in the first set due to a drop shot that missed by half an inch (apparently this is choking), then Rafa breaks back with 2 UEs from Fed and 2 FEs. I can tell you now that in Federer's highest level matches there have been service games where he's made 2 UEs before. When Nadal broke him to get the set he outplayed him. The only time Fed's level dropped was the 4th set. In the previous 3 sets he was playing just as well as in the SF and was still getting outplayed by a below his best Rafa.

this is plain BS ...the missed dropshot wasn't choking ... what happened after that was ... he lost 8 games in a row from 5-2 up in the first set to 5-7 and then 0-3 in the second .......that would never happen to a federer playing well at that stage, let alone federer playing close to his best ...

he lost 8 games in a row .... it was suddenly starting to feel like RG 08 , only this time without rafa at his best ...

and of course his level dropped in the 4th ...

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Originally Posted by The_Order

Just like Fed seemed worse in 08 WIM final because of Nadal's level being higher than the previous year. Nadal's improved serving and defence/movement on grass was causing more errors from Federer.

rafa's serving improved in 2008 for sure, but then there were several errors from federer on easy 2nd serves that he should've put back into play ..Like I've said before, it was a combination of rafa's better serving and federer's worse returning that resulted in lot more free points for rafa on serve in 2008 compared to 2007 ...not just one factor ...

improved defense/movement ? LOL wut ? are you serious ?

Agassifan · 02-10-2013, 07:44 PM

Everyone knows that the only answers are WTF 2011 and WTF 2010. Wimbledon 2012 is third.

abmk · 02-10-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Champ

Despite his achievement on the surface, for me Federer is the 2nd greatest clay courter ever.

IMO, borg is clearly better and I rate kuerten above federer on clay too in terms of playing level ...

The_Order · 02-10-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by abmk

IMO, borg is clearly better and I rate kuerten above federer on clay too in terms of playing level ...

Borg is better? LOL Borg WAS better, I doubt he still is...

Feather · 02-10-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TTMR

Personally, I've always been of the belief that the shorter your prime/peak, the more talented of a player you are.

Safin's peak was September 2000 and January 2005. No player could beat that Safin. I've never cared about consistency. If you've worked in a factory for 30 years, that doesn't make you a great worker. It just makes you reliable. If you worked in a factory for a year and then became the boss and radically improve the company in a month and then retire to your yacht and Mercedes, then you're a great worker. You've done more in that month than the roughneck has done his entire career.

There is a huge difference. I am an IT professional. I have few years of experience in s/w development and I have only improved with time. I can safely say that I am much better than what I was when I got the job. If I work few more years, the better I become. If I use Tennis words, am in my prime and my peak is yet to come

I mean the work is not related to my physical conditions. Tennis or sports is not like that. As you get older, its tough to compete with younger professionals. You obviously would know that. You can't expect Roger or Nadal to be better in playing skills after five more years. So your comparison is an utter failure!

I think am a fool to write all this to a guy who posts 99.99 % of the time sarcastically. You should be laughing when you read my response

heninfan99 · 02-12-2013, 05:55 AM

Cincy 2012 when he bageled Djoker. He can tap into this level sometimes.

zam88 · 02-12-2013, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The-Champ

Utter BS. Any Federer of 2006 on clay would destroy that Federer of 2011 plus Rafa in the final. 2006 Federer on clay would have beaten 2010 Nadal on clay too, convincingly. I say that as a Nadal fan...

interesting.

So you'd say 2006/2007 Clay Federer was fantastic clay tennis and if it weren't for Rafa's clay ceiling GOATness that he (Federer) was turning in performances that were absolutely noteworthy historically?

Also it sounds like you're saying that 2006/7/8 Nadal on clay would wipe 2010/11/12 Nadal off the dirt?

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The-Champ Legend Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,567	Despite his achievement on the surface, for me Federer is the 2nd greatest clay courter ever. __________________ GOAT!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4PtT9Ly-yA Last edited by The-Champ : 02-10-2013 at 05:21 PM.

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02-12-2013, 05:55 AM	#49
heninfan99 Professional Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,100	Cincy 2012 when he bageled Djoker. He can tap into this level sometimes. __________________ Racquet with RPM Blast.

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