How can I move down 0.5 NTRP

[J_R_B]

Originally Posted by beernutz

Does that mean this player is still a self-rated 4.0 as far as same-sex league play is concerned?

No, you only have one rating, not different ratings for different league types. Right now, his rating is 4.5 M. If an M-rated player wants to play adult, he has to slef-rate for adult but cannot self-rate lower than his M-rating. Like any other adult self-rate, he can appeal the self-rating. This is not an automatic on-line appeal. Self-rating appeals are the type that you make your case to an actual person and that person decides on the merit of the appeal. In this case, I beleive they would (or should) grant the appeal. Middle States, in my experience, has been pretty fair about granting appeals, although they have been tightening a little in the last year or two, so you never know.

[beernutz]

Thanks to you both. I was just curious how this situation would be handled since the player had apparently already self-rated at 4.0 and played two matches in addition to the 4 8.0 mixed matches.

That is an odd quirk of the system. I didn't realize there was such a connection between a mixed exclusive rating and a subsequent adult same sex rating.

[J_R_B]

Originally Posted by beernutz

Thanks to you both. I was just curious how this situation would be handled since the player had apparently already self-rated at 4.0 and played two matches in addition to the 4 8.0 mixed matches.

That is an odd quirk of the system. I didn't realize there was such a connection between a mixed exclusive rating and a subsequent adult same sex rating.

If he had played 3 adult matches instead of 2, he would have gotten a C rating instead of an M rating, presumably 4.0 C since there is nothing at all indicative of 4.5 in his adult results. The real question is, if he self-rates for adult, regardless of whether he appeals down to 4.0 or not, do the two matches played last year count toward a dynamic rating? In other words, he should have some kind of dynamic rating from the two adult matches, so if he plays one more adult match, do those three adult matches then generate a YE C rating and therefore bypass the mixed results that generated a 4.5M rating? If so, even if he tries to appeal and is denied, he could conceivably sign up for 4.5 adult, play one match and get thrashed (he would even have to throw it - he's not a 4.5 player...), and hope that the three adult matches override the mixed ratings and bump him back down to 4.0.

[schmke]

Originally Posted by J_R_B

The real question is, if he self-rates for adult, regardless of whether he appeals down to 4.0 or not, do the two matches played last year count toward a dynamic rating? In other words, he should have some kind of dynamic rating from the two adult matches, so if he plays one more adult match, do those three adult matches then generate a YE C rating and therefore bypass the mixed results that generated a 4.5M rating? If so, even if he tries to appeal and is denied, he could conceivably sign up for 4.5 adult, play one match and get thrashed (he would even have to throw it - he's not a 4.5 player...), and hope that the three adult matches override the mixed ratings and bump him back down to 4.0.

Great question and one I don't have the answer for nor have I seen folks speculate on the answer. So hopefully someone will in response to this!

My assumption has been that the 2 matches from last year don't count and he really starts this year with a new self-rating, i.e. no dynamic rating. But I could be wrong.

A similar question is, once you have a YE C rating, do you start the next year with that rating alone or does your history (past 3 dynamic ratings) carry over for averaging purposes to calculate your new rating? I've also assumed the history doesn't carry over but could be wrong here too.

Answers or educated guesses welcome.

[spaceman_spiff]

For days I've been thinking about posting a long-winded comment about how the OP should take the opportunity to test himself, up his game, learn from superior opponents, and so on. But, I realized that all my thoughts on the subject could be better summarized in four letters: MTFU.

Seriously.

[beernutz]

Originally Posted by spaceman_spiff

For days I've been thinking about posting a long-winded comment about how the OP should take the opportunity to test himself, up his game, learn from superior opponents, and so on. But, I realized that all my thoughts on the subject could be better summarized in four letters: MTFU.

Seriously.

Except that the OP is apparently a woman (I forensically analyzed some previous posts), I agree 100%. I guess MTFU still applies even then.

[J_R_B]

Originally Posted by schmke

Great question and one I don't have the answer for nor have I seen folks speculate on the answer. So hopefully someone will in response to this!

My assumption has been that the 2 matches from last year don't count and he really starts this year with a new self-rating, i.e. no dynamic rating. But I could be wrong.

A similar question is, once you have a YE C rating, do you start the next year with that rating alone or does your history (past 3 dynamic ratings) carry over for averaging purposes to calculate your new rating? I've also assumed the history doesn't carry over but could be wrong here too.

Answers or educated guesses welcome.

I think if you have a C rating, the dynamic ratings from the previous year's matches do play into the current year just as if it were one long continuous string of matches, but I don't know that for sure. Even if that's true, though, it still may not be in the other case where an M rating superceded the adult play.

[F L O B B E R]

This thread is a testament to why USTA is a joke. If you play to your actual rating eventually you will run into sandbaggers that pull this crap... And for what? For a chance to make it to Disticts or Sectionals to play against OTHER teams stacked with sandbaggers? It's pathetic.

[ollinger]

If the OP is so eager to play against players with ratings below his own true rating, how about wheelchair tennis!! If the matches are not officiated, you can just hop out of the wheelchair to hit the ball, then say it never happened.

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by F L O B B E R

This thread is a testament to why USTA is a joke. If you play to your actual rating eventually you will run into sandbaggers that pull this crap... And for what? For a chance to make it to Disticts or Sectionals to play against OTHER teams stacked with sandbaggers? It's pathetic.

Yuppers.. that is what the USTA leagues always are all about. The only way to move forward (sectionals.. nationals) is to find a ringer(s) that are sandbagging for various reasons. Not getting my money, time or effort. While it is true that the USTA has the best intentions.. it just does not work.

[J_R_B]

Originally Posted by SteveI

Yuppers.. that is what the USTA leagues always are all about. The only way to move forward (sectionals.. nationals) is to find a ringer(s) that are sandbagging for various reasons. Not getting my money, time or effort. While it is true that the USTA has the best intentions.. it just does not work.

It doesn't work only if your only goal is to win sectionals or nationals. There's plenty of fun at the local league level where you just chalk up the matches against the ringers as a good experience against good players and have fun playing the matches.

[schmke]

Originally Posted by J_R_B

I think if you have a C rating, the dynamic ratings from the previous year's matches do play into the current year just as if it were one long continuous string of matches, but I don't know that for sure. Even if that's true, though, it still may not be in the other case where an M rating superceded the adult play.

I thought the same way too originally, but since year-end ratings factor in benchmark calculations (I believe 50% of your year-end rating comes from your Dynamic NTRP and 50% from benchmark calculations), I'm not sure how this string of matches would be preserved correctly.

Also, I believe there are cases where self-rated players play just 2 matches a year for a few years and never get a C rating which would seem to indicate thing don't carry over. But you did say you thought they might carry over for C rated so that is a different scenario.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by usta2050

How many matches do I have to lose to move from let's say 4.5 to 4.0?

I am planning on a 0-8 record this year for the 18 and over leagues. Is that enough?

Easy, just appeal. USTA lately have been very nice to guys in 4.5 that wants to move down to 4.0 so they can play both leagues and play like 4 matches in one weekend. Those Pigs

[eastbayliz]

Originally Posted by usta2050

How many matches do I have to lose to move from let's say 4.5 to 4.0?

I am planning on a 0-8 record this year for the 18 and over leagues. Is that enough?

Wow. Seriously? Tanking and attempting to game ratings is an exercise in futility. It not only speaks to your character but you are also ruining the fun for everyone hoping for competitive and enjoyable match play. I love competition and love to be challenged. I play tournaments because they are simple and seem to be more free of this sort of nonsense. If you want to win how about you practice more and try to learn from your matches. Hell-take a private lesson or two. Or take up say miniature golf.

[spaceman_spiff]

Originally Posted by beernutz

Except that the OP is apparently a woman (I forensically analyzed some previous posts), I agree 100%. I guess MTFU still applies even then.

I thought that might be the case. So, I guess it should be WTFU.

Honestly, if you're playing .5 higher than you should be, then it's not really a huge deal. Yes, you will probably lose most or all of your matches, but if you focus on your game and also learn from your opponents, you can use the experience to really improve your game.

Or, you can tank all your matches, waste your time and your opponents' time, and get absolutely nothing out of the whole thing.

[usta2050]

thank you all for the great comments/thoughts. I have to say that you are a good bunch. I plan to have a 20 min warm up so my opponents will get to hit some good rallies and also some rallies after. it should be fun.

[usta2050]

Originally Posted by RoachTennis

6-0 sets dont count towards your rating. 6-1 is the worst score you can lose by. Also if you play 6 matches or more you cant appeal.

Thank you RT, you are a genius.

[goober]

Originally Posted by J_R_B

It doesn't work only if your only goal is to win sectionals or nationals. There's plenty of fun at the local league level where you just chalk up the matches against the ringers as a good experience against good players and have fun playing the matches.

Pretty much this. You have a couple matches against the teams that are stacked with out of level players and then the rest of the season it is pretty fun. I almost wish USTA had 2 separate leagues. A nonadvancing recreational league and one for those chasing after sectional/nationals. But since that is not going to happen, you can enjoy league tennis with the right mindset.

[dcdoorknob]

Originally Posted by usta2050

thank you all for the great comments/thoughts. I have to say that you are a good bunch. I plan to have a 20 min warm up so my opponents will get to hit some good rallies and also some rallies after. it should be fun.

When the opponent is ready to start after warming up for 5-10 minutes, are you going to explain to them that they should keep warming up for another 10 minutes because you plan to tank the match and it will be over in half an hour anyways, and so the warmup is the best tennis they are going to get out of you?

[JLyon]

Originally Posted by usta2050

thank you all for the great comments/thoughts. I have to say that you are a good bunch. I plan to have a 20 min warm up so my opponents will get to hit some good rallies and also some rallies after. it should be fun.

If you do this I sure hope every team protests you or better yet play one or 2 games and retire with an injury before enough games are played to generate a match rating.
You are pathetic