penetrating slice tips

[LeeD]

Poster 38... WHO said to not hit with a forward swing? Did I? Did you?
Poster 40, read post 22 again.
You cannot see a penetratings slice from a video. On court, it's another story.

[Pickle9]

Post 22 is a djoke

Summary of post #22

I think "a" is good but to somebody better it would not be considered good so it's not really good but it's the best I can do so it's good.

Since when did mediocre become the standard?

[LeeD]

What's a joke is your lack of understanding of how things work.
YOUR forehand might defeat me breadsticks, but it won't faze a 5.5, and Federer will pound it into a clean winner.
YOUR backhand might cause me to miss over and over again, but a good 5.5 will pummel you by going to your backhand every time.
YOUR serve might knock me silly on my butt, but a good 5.5 will just chip it into a corner you can barely reach, as you stumble and fall on your face.
What you call "POWER" might be just a rally ball for someone better than you.

[Pickle9]

Originally Posted by LeeD

What's a joke is your lack of understanding of how things work.
YOUR forehand might defeat me breadsticks, but it won't faze a 5.5, and Federer will pound it into a clean winner.
YOUR backhand might cause me to miss over and over again, but a good 5.5 will pummel you by going to your backhand every time.
YOUR serve might knock me silly on my butt, but a good 5.5 will just chip it into a corner you can barely reach, as you stumble and fall on your face.
What you call "POWER" might be just a rally ball for someone better than you.

Dude, you replied to op who was asking for a video of high level slice technique. Is your 200+ word reply not an attempt to describe how to hit a "high level" slice? You won't post a video demonstration because one cannot see whether a slice is penetrating or not on video? I call bravo sierra.

Come on man, either a ball is penetrating or it isn't. Either it kicks or it doesn't.

[JoelDali]

Rosewall's 140mph slice would penetrate my bosoms.

[sabala]

How about an old school Brian Gottfried slice? This vid actually talks about "modern" vs "classic" slice bh but I start it at the (sort of) instruction part...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IKYI3CEOsk#t=03m15s

And don't ask why the narrator chose Roddick for modern example!

The clips in that slice bh vid originally come from this "sneak attack" video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbEAS6pK0ms

-which come from here btw...

http://iws.punahou.edu/user/lcouillard/


When I start losing a bit of ooomph on my slice, it's usually cuz I start hitting it too far out in front, (get a bit eager) and get not so good weight transfer into the shot.

Amazing - can't find any isolated Edberg slice bh vids either!

[psv255]

Tim Henman had a nicely penetrating slice, if I'm not mistaken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_0e_L-1o9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey4NJ9rkWvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...07WaUr8#t=127s

[TomT]

Some vids for you 2ndServe. I remember Rafter as having a real nice slice backhand also.

Tomic vs Dolgopolov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXjB1u-W9EM

Llodra vs Dolgopolov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqOwyy3WZUo

Dolgopolov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBEUevZLsY

Tomic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otluQFZLXds

Tomic vs Querrey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHIYYeyfJPM

Rosewall backhand stuff starts at 1:37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR7kvBGntW8

Rosewall slo-mo backhand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rws3x...=results_video

[BevelDevil]

No talk of grip?

I think it's interesting that some guys seem to hit with almost an Eastern forehand grip.






Any thoughts on using grips weaker than continental for the bh slice? I switched to a weaker grip because I liked it for volleys (on both sides), but my bh slice floats a bit more as a consequence.

[luvforty]

whatever floats the boat is cool

from eF to eB, lots of grips can work.

key is how much 'push' is applied at impact.

[TomT]

Federer vs Youzhny (many sliced backhands in one great point)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igicoafWhT0

Djokovic slomo slice backhands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmwlTzu9GN4

Djokovic slomo slice backhand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFThz9QDYGo

Roddick slomo slice backhand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI-5Unf3Zxc

Murray slomo slice backhand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY0thWMP4Ak

Graf slice backhand vs S. Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWDF67zvZCo

slice backhand instructional vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HTHy8qYR2M

[LeeD]

I've always advocated a conti grip with a slight twist towards EasternForehand for a heavy skidding slice shot.
You take it late, you lean forwards, you close your stance, and you slice firmly high to low, aiming to keep the ball less than 3' above the netcord, and aiming for at least deep NML.

[Pickle9]

Originally Posted by JoelDali

Rosewall's 140mph slice would penetrate my bosoms.

LeeD is a legend.

[JoelDali]

Originally Posted by LeeD

I've always advocated....

I've always aggravated....

[LeeD]

I do that too, and it seems to affect lots of posters here and everywhere.
Still, a serve that bother's me won't bother RogerFederer.

[PaulC]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

HIT Thru your slice like Ken Rosewall does. It will be Penetrating like Nadal forehand. Just do NOT CHOP like Federer.

Ditto the Ken Rosewall BH.

I've seen a video long time ago where his BH "slice" was described as a "knocker":

1. NOT chopping thru the bottom of the ball, but "knock" or push it forward *firmly*.

2. Racket face almost vertical, finished facing the right instead of facing upward like a regular backspin slice.

3. For returning high bouncing topspin shots, use a side-armed "semi-smash" motion, kinda like a squash/racketball high BH.

Gee... I think this down-the-line shot can ****ed off even Nadal

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Pickle9

LeeD is a legend.

This is true, I think. But then, so is JoelDali. Come to think of it, you, Pickle9, are something of a legend ... in my mind. Hmmm. Is it possible that my criteria for conferring legendary TT status are ... too limited? Or, have certain of your witty replies allowed you entry into a pantheon of elite, and perhaps immortal in a certain limited sense, TT posters? Is it possible that after less than 300 TT posts so many of them are of such high caliber that you have become, in the eyes of many, or the few, a TT legend? Hmmmm. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Nevertheless, I hope you (and LeeD, and JoelDali, etc. etc. etc.) continue posting in your unique modes or styles or whatevers. It's definitely most entertaining (and, hopefully, motivating ... though in what sense that term might be applicable I don't know) for dilettantes such as myself.

If this was a bit off topic, well, excuse me, get over it. Then again, I do think that the question of how to hit penetrating slices had been adequately answered before this post. Then again, that wasn't the OP. The OP asked for videos of advanced penetrating slice technique(s). So ... post some videos of advanced penetrating slice technique(s).

And, just like that ... they were back on topic.

[Pickle9]

Originally Posted by TomT

This is true, I think. But then, so is JoelDali. Come to think of it, you, Pickle9, are something of a legend ... in my mind. Hmmm. Is it possible that my criteria for conferring legendary TT status are ... too limited? Or, have certain of your witty replies allowed you entry into a pantheon of elite, and perhaps immortal in a certain limited sense, TT posters? Is it possible that after less than 300 TT posts so many of them are of such high caliber that you have become, in the eyes of many, or the few, a TT legend? Hmmmm. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Nevertheless, I hope you (and LeeD, and JoelDali, etc. etc. etc.) continue posting in your unique modes or styles or whatevers. It's definitely most entertaining (and, hopefully, motivating ... though in what sense that term might be applicable I don't know) for dilettantes such as myself.

If this was a bit off topic, well, excuse me, get over it. Then again, I do think that the question of how to hit penetrating slices had been adequately answered before this post. Then again, that wasn't the OP. The OP asked for videos of advanced penetrating slice technique(s). So ... post some videos of advanced penetrating slice technique(s).

And, just like that ... they were back on topic.

Bravo10char

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Pickle9

Bravo10char

Thanks Pickle. Is that the highest accolade? I hope so, because I put quite a bit of effort into that post. Lots of stress.

Hello ... videos anyone?

[Povl Carstensen]

Originally Posted by TomT

Federer vs Youzhny (many sliced backhands in one great point)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igicoafWhT0

Notice the amount of sidespin. You can see Federers balls curl.