David Ferrer is better than Berdych, Tsonga and Del Potro

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by tennispro492

Ferrer at his best will double bagel Berd and Delpo with ease

You are purely delusional. Federer and Nadal at their best arent even double bageling Berdych and Del Potro (when they are far from theirs) and Federer and Nadal at their best at twice the player Ferrer will ever be. You clearly are way overboard with your Ferrer hardon. He is the 5th best player in the World today in a field that majorly lacks depth outside the top 4, but at best he is a poor mans Lleyton Hewitt.

[Onehandedbackhand]

Tennis pro, I'm a big fan of Ferrer, and I know better than to say something that crazy.

He's better, but double bagel? Djoker faces qualies in first rounds and it's usually 3 and 2.

[NadalAgassi]

Also Ferrer is not better than everyone say Djokovic at running and defense as the delusional OP stated. A healthy Nadal is easily better than Ferrer at both, on every single surface, and by a mile on grass or clay. Federer most of his career was, not sure now as he has lost some speed and defensive capatilities with age (while Ferrer amazingly has not). Murray except for clay is easily better in both as well. He is better than everyone not in the top 5 at those things, but that and mental focus, and consistency, are really the only things he has over the players ranked below him.

[Onehandedbackhand]

Ferrer, quite simply, has the sickest consistency of any player outside the top 4 that I've ever seen. He doesn't blow crazy leads, he doesn't have a shot that fails him, he doesn't make stupid errors, none of that. Even if it took a Rafa injury to get him to 4, he deserves it.

He just has to believe he can beat bigger names, and he doesn't have that. I think he'd be so damned dangerous if he had that belief at all because his consistency is ridiculous.

But he is what he is, and people need to realize that.

[Anaconda]

Originally Posted by Onehandedbackhand

Ferrer, quite simply, has the sickest consistency of any player outside the top 4 that I've ever seen. He doesn't blow crazy leads, he doesn't have a shot that fails him, he doesn't make stupid errors, none of that. Even if it took a Rafa injury to get him to 4, he deserves it.

He just has to believe he can beat bigger names, and he doesn't have that. I think he'd be so damned dangerous if he had that belief at all because his consistency is ridiculous.

But he is what he is, and people need to realize that.

From this era, I believe Roddick was more consistent than Ferrer in terms of getting through matches and going quite deep into slams/big tournaments. Even in matches too; Although he's blown some leads, he's actually got far enough to blow leads against Federer (and that Gasquet one lol) whilst Ferrer plainly gets crushed when he loses.

[The_Order]

Originally Posted by Anaconda

From this era, I believe Roddick was more consistent than Ferrer in terms of getting through matches and going quite deep into slams/big tournaments. Even in matches too; Although he's blown some leads, he's actually got far enough to blow leads against Federer (and that Gasquet one lol) whilst Ferrer plainly gets crushed when he loses.

If you can read he said outside the top 4. Roddick was top 4 when he was playing well consistently.

[Anaconda]

Originally Posted by The_Order

If you can read he said outside the top 4. Roddick was top 4 when he was playing well consistently.

He meant 'top 4' as in Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray - because Ferrer is currently occupying 4th spot.

[tudwell]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

The OP though seems to be implying even considering whole careers he will go down as the greatest and best of these 4 if all retire now. This is not true. Del Potro`s slam title clearly puts him above Ferrer. Someone like Murray had a strong case to be over Del Potro (and for me was already) even before he won his 1st slam, but not Ferrer. It is iffy at best if Ferrer should even be considered better overall than Berdych or Tsonga when both guys reached a slam final and in general have bigger wins than he does, and all 3 have only 1 Masters, and all reached the top 5 but none the top 3 as far as rankings go I believe. That Ferrer is the best of those players right now, doesnt mean he is overall the best of them. He definitely isnt, and might still be the weakest of them overall at this point.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Del Potro win more overall titles than Ferrer. He's at 14 and he's only 24, while Ferrer has six more and is six years older. It remains to be seen if he'll win another slam, but I'd be surprised if he doesn't at least win a Masters.

[Relinquis]

Ferrer owns Delpo and Berdych... Of the two, i think Berdych has teh best chance of challenging* him.

It's not clear enough with Tsonga exactly how much Ferrer dominates him... if i was a betting man, i think Ferrer will show us how many holes there are in Tsonga's game... even though i love Tsonga. I think he needs to show he can beat Ferrer in order to break into the top half of the top 10.

Ferrer is the acid test... Machine.



* Want to know how to beat Ferrer without being a multi-slam winner? Watch Nikolay Davydenko. He takes time away from David with each stroke, plays aggressive, works the angles and controls the court positioning, comes in... i.e. real tennis.

[ktid]

Originally Posted by tennisaddict

Ok, when was the last time he beat Fed, Novak and Murray at a major ?

Beat Murray at the French Open Quarter Finals

[dafinch]

Well, there's clearly at least one person he is NOT better than; what a disgraceful "effort" today, and I use that term very loosely. In fact, the way that all the Spaniards almost invariably lay down like $5 crack 'hoes vs BP is even more of a disgrace. Guess the memo came down to boost his confidence....

[TTMR]

Originally Posted by Relinquis

* Want to know how to beat Ferrer without being a multi-slam winner? Watch Nikolay Davydenko. He takes time away from David with each stroke, plays aggressive, works the angles and controls the court positioning, comes in... i.e. real tennis.

You mean he plays the same game as Ferrer? Yes he does, just Davydenko is a better on-the-rise hitter and can hit a little harder. Both guys play only a couple of feet behind the baseline, neither of them ever slice, come to the net or hit big serves. Drop shots are rare even on clay.

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by tennispro492

Also, Ferrer is better than Nadal is playing at the moment. Ferrer to win FO 2013

Considering what happened in the Acapulco final this is just priceless

[NadalAgassi]

Ferrer is never winning a slam anywhere. Even at Roland Garros he has no hope vs any of Nadal, Djokovic, or Federer, and there is no hope to avoid both Nadal and Djokovic at the event. In a hard court slam he has no hope vs Djokovic, Murray, or Federer. I wont even get started on Wimbledon. It would take a Miracle on Ice scenario for Ferrer to ever win a major. Atleast Berdych or Tsonga could pull it off as they can beat anyone, well maybe not Nadal or Djokovic for Berdych but maybe he could beat Djokovic again on grass and win a Wimbledon if he avoids Nadal. Del Potro already has.

[Relinquis]

Originally Posted by TTMR

You mean he plays the same game as Ferrer? Yes he does, just Davydenko is a better on-the-rise hitter and can hit a little harder. Both guys play only a couple of feet behind the baseline, neither of them ever slice, come to the net or hit big serves. Drop shots are rare even on clay.

Watch Ferrer Vs. Federer and then watch Davydenko Vs. Federer... Davydenko's game is much more aggressive and he comes into the court a lot more often than Ferrer even against a very aggressive player. You won't find davydenko volleying much, but you will see him hitting groundstroke winners from just behind the service line often and not because he got a surprise shot ball, but because he's moving in on his opponents shots, one by one. His natural position is on the baseline moving forward so he can hit angles and open up the court or tee off of a good ball, whereas Ferrer's natural position is a step behind the baseline, defending until he sees an opening to hit longer balls and force and error or get a winner after pinning his opponent to one side of the court/behind the baseline.

Ferrer plays high % tennis. Davydenko goes for winners much more. He's closer to an aggassi than a ferrer in style.

Davydenko is a baseliner, but he's no pusher/grinder/counterpuncher like Murray, Ferrer or Djokovic... He's an aggressive baseliner. Even now at 31 (or so) and plagued with injuries.

[BauerAlmeida]

LOL.

At the moment he is a better player and deserves the #5 ranking.

But Tsonga, Del Potro and Berdych are better players. Higher peak game and better career. It's pretty obvious.

[heninfan99]

I think his ranking speaks for itself but, yeah, he's like really good.

[Onehandedbackhand]

Originally Posted by BauerAlmeida

LOL.

At the moment he is a better player and deserves the #5 ranking.

But Tsonga, Del Potro and Berdych are better players. Higher peak game and better career. It's pretty obvious.

If they are better players, why can't they beat him?

[BauerAlmeida]

Originally Posted by Onehandedbackhand

If they are better players, why can't they beat him?

Berdych and JDMP are a bad match up for Ferrer. But most of Ferrer wins against Del Potro came last year (as I said, Ferrer is atm the best of them). The 2 times they played after DP broke through and before he had the injury, he won them in straights. Still, Ferrer leads the H2H fair and square, not an excuse.

Anyway, it's irrelevant, Hrbaty has a positive H2H against Federer and Nadal. Is he the better player? No. Santoro is better than Safin? No. Roddick is better than Djokovic?? etc, etc, etc.

[Onehandedbackhand]

They are more talented than Ferrer, but not better...big difference