Will Rafa overtake Ferrer before the RG?

[Paullaconte1]

I think this is going to be very important for Nadal. If he is seeded no.5 and he won't fall in Ferrer half, he may have to defeat all the other big 4 to win the RG that can be too much also for his knee.

With the new rankings he is near Ferrer and he can make it if he plays great in the next few months, but he needs to defend lots of points.

http://www.tennistonic.com/tennis-ne...s-up-to-Ferrer

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Rankings-Home.aspx

I think he can make it, but it's really tough.

[safc_number10]

Nadal will probably be seeded in the top 4 anyway based on previous results.

[forzamilan90]

Personally just for the show, I'd like to see Nadal behind Ferrer just so we can see that possible match up for him against the big three. Just for the sheer spectacularity of it, I pray to Zeus that it happens

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by safc_number10

Nadal will probably be seeded in the top 4 anyway based on previous results.

Roland Garros doesn't do that

[The_Order]

LOL the thought of Ferrer being seeded higher than Nadal for RG is absolutely ridiculous.

The people in charge of the tournament should surely realise that Nadal deserves to be seeded at least 4.

If Rafa's in form, he could handle the rest of the big 3 at RG though. I mean I don't see Murray beating him there, I definitely don't see Federer beating him there, Novak may be the only one who has the shot to beat him at RG anyway.

[batz]

Originally Posted by The_Order

LOL the thought of Ferrer being seeded higher than Nadal for RG is absolutely ridiculous.

The people in charge of the tournament should surely realise that Nadal deserves to be seeded at least 4.

If Rafa's in form, he could handle the rest of the big 3 at RG though. I mean I don't see Murray beating him there, I definitely don't see Federer beating him there, Novak may be the only one who has the shot to beat him at RG anyway.

The tournament has rules - including the basis for seeding players. Are you suggesting that only some players should be subject to those rules?

Assuming no withdrawals, Rafa will be seeded wherever he is ranked on the Monday before the draw is made.

[The_Order]

Originally Posted by batz

The tournament has rules - including the basis for seeding players. Are you suggesting that only some players should be subject to those rules?

Assuming no withdrawals, Rafa will be seeded wherever he is ranked on the Monday before the draw is made.

I'm suggesting a bit of common sense.

[batz]

Originally Posted by The_Order

I'm suggesting a bit of common sense.

Would you care to write down the algorithm for that?

Look mate - I see where you're coming from - but you can't change the way you seed a slam because of 1 guy.

[mariecon]

Originally Posted by safc_number10

Nadal will probably be seeded in the top 4 anyway based on previous results.

uh nope. They don't do that at RG, only at Wimbledon. I think that's because of the tiny grass court season.

[mariecon]

Originally Posted by forzamilan90

Personally just for the show, I'd like to see Nadal behind Ferrer just so we can see that possible match up for him against the big three. Just for the sheer spectacularity of it, I pray to Zeus that it happens

you and me both.

[batz]

Originally Posted by mariecon

uh nope. They don't do that at RG, only at Wimbledon. I think that's because of the tiny grass court season.

You think right - the rationale for Wimbledon's seeding formula is that, unlike clay and hardcourt, there are insufficient grass tournaments to allow for grass performance to be reflected in the rankings - so they weight for it.

[The_Order]

Originally Posted by batz

Would you care to write down the algorithm for that?

Look mate - I see where you're coming from - but you can't change the way you seed a slam because of 1 guy.

There i the possibility that even if Rafa defends all his clay titles from last year leading into RG that he'll still be ranked #5. Luckily Madrid has abolished that stupid blue clay and Rafa can pick up some points there.

If that happens, I'll give you an algorithm:

Acapulco title + Monte Carlo title + Barcelona title + Rome title + (possibly) Madrid title + 7 RG titles out of the last 8 years >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
Buonos Aires title + whatever Ferrer does in the clay season.

That would be common sense to put Nadal as at least the #4 seed if he does all that. Even if he doesn't, chances are he'll perform waaayyy better than Ferrer during the upcoming clay season and would still merit the #4 seeding.

But anyway as a Nadal fan, I really don't have any fears that he may have to face Murray and Federer, he'll beat them both at RG. It just depends on when he has to face Novak and also what his form against Novak is like in the masters leading up to RG.

[Cosmic Charlie]

The ITF rules state:

"The selection of seeds will be at the discretion of each
individual Grand Slam Tournament Committee, however, the
computer ranking list dated approximately seven (7) days prior
to the tournament shall be a primary, but not sole, basis for such
selection."

Only Wimbledon has chosen to exercise its discretion in seeding. The grass performance formula was an effort to introduce transparency. Previously, the Wimbledon seeding committee was arbitrary in their reshuffling of seeds. While I don't believe RG would bump Ferrer down, they are 'allowed' to.

[spinovic]

Or they could just put 4 vs. 5 in the draw and then it wouldn't matter.

[tacou]

Rafa will likely be #5 or lower and he will be drawn against Ferrer in the QF

[Beryl]

No chance, unless Ferrer falls off in a big way.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by batz

The tournament has rules - including the basis for seeding players. Are you suggesting that only some players should be subject to those rules?

Assuming no withdrawals, Rafa will be seeded wherever he is ranked on the Monday before the draw is made.

Venus was seeded #4 in 2004, way above her actual ranking, and she isnt even that great a clay courter, but the stigma of Williams dominance from 2002-2003 still rung at that point hence the seeding bump. Obviously their rules are not that foolproof for this to happen. Ultimately they decide the seedings and everything about the tournament, so they can do whatever they want. In most cases they dont alter the seedings but in an extreme case like this I am sure an exception would be made. I would be willing to bet money if Nadal has a good clay season and wins atleast 1 clay Masters he will be seeded #4 above David Ferrer, regardless where he is ranked. Especialy as Ferrer continues to get embarassed and thrashed by Nadal in every clay court meeting between the two (and was in the RG semis of last year too), and that his RG record is actually quite mediocre.

[ultradr]

I'm more interested in when Murray will over take Federer, or whether
Federer will stay in top 4 by year end or not, ......

[batz]

Originally Posted by ultradr

I'm more interested in when Murray will over take Federer, or whether
Federer will stay in top 4 by year end or not, ......

Murray takes number 2 if he wins IW.

[batz]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Venus was seeded #4 in 2004, way above her actual ranking, and she isnt even that great a clay courter, but the stigma of Williams dominance from 2002-2003 still rung at that point hence the seeding bump. Obviously their rules are not that foolproof for this to happen. Ultimately they decide the seedings and everything about the tournament, so they can do whatever they want. In most cases they dont alter the seedings but in an extreme case like this I am sure an exception would be made. I would be willing to bet money if Nadal has a good clay season and wins atleast 1 clay Masters he will be seeded #4 above David Ferrer, regardless where he is ranked. Especialy as Ferrer continues to get embarassed and thrashed by Nadal in every clay court meeting between the two (and was in the RG semis of last year too), and that his RG record is actually quite mediocre.

OK - I guess there is precedent - I can't see it happening though. Well see in a couple of months.