appropriate add for babolat in light of sandy hook

[TCF]

Originally Posted by Alohajrtennis

Why just compare deaths due to gun violence? Dead is dead. This is sort of like the hate crime nonsense.

Ummm...huh? Are you aware of another way people kill multiple people daily in America or Norway that even approaches using guns? And isn't this debate about guns.

The question is on the table. Please compare the total number of violent deaths in Norway to America.

[TCF]

By the way guys, sort of a thread that will lead to nothing but trouble as we are just showing our political leanings, which the moderators frown upon. I listen to all sides, equal time to Fox and equal time to MSNBC.

Those who listen to Fox or Rush are simply regurgitating back the same exact talking points I hear there, same with those who watch MSNBC. Nothing original from either side here.

So I am going to hop off this one and get back into tennis.

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Pro_Tour_630

that is the point we are banning guns just because they look scary

No, we should ban certain types of guns because they serve no other purpose but to cause mass destruction. No one needs semi and automatic weapons. You can hunt, shoot targets, and protect your home and your person effectively without semi and automatic weapons.

Look, I'm OK with the 2nd Amendment, but what was the technology when it was written? One shot, two shot guns that took how long to re-load? What was going on politically at the time - post-revolutionary war. Times have changed, and we must change with them.

Thomas Jefferson, who helped write the second amendment and was a supporter of arms for a militia and self-defense foresaw that his and his peers' work would need to evolve with progress. Here is a quote from the walls of the Jefferson memorial:

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Alohajrtennis

The largest mass shooter in history I believe was Anders Behring Breivik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik. Norway is a country with much stricter gun control than the US, but he was still able to get weapon and as with most shooters went after a soft target.

Please read up on this. The shooter went through years of trying to acquire weapons from other countries. Ironically got his ammo clips from....the US.

The target was not chosen because it was "soft". It was politically motivated. He had issue with a political party which sponsored the camp and many of that party's children were in attendance.

Point is, you can't stop everything, everywhere, but overall, the US has by far the biggest problem. There is a big difference in a country where a mass killing happens once in a century vs multiple times a year.

[kimbahpnam]

i think it's inappropriate because roddick's retired -_-

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Pro_Tour_630

I will give you an example

do you know the difference between these two guns, and which on should we ban A or B?

which one of these guns shoots the bullet that does not kill ? Also if one holds 10 bullets and the other hold 15 which is better 10 dead people or 15 ?BTW if I am wanting to take someone out give me the hunting rifle more accurate at doing what it is meant to do do kill big animals that are harder to kill then humans !!!!

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

which one of these guns shoots the bullet that does not kill ? Also if one holds 10 bullets and the other hold 15 which is better 10 dead people or 15 ?BTW if I am wanting to take someone out give me the hunting rifle more accurate at doing what it is meant to do do kill big animals that are harder to kill then humans !!!!

I'm no expert so correct me if I'm wrong, but now that I look at them, the one above holds, what, 2 rounds and has to be manually re-loaded? The one below looks like it has a clip with, what, 30 rounds and you can slam a new clip in in a second?

So, if a crazy person with the worst intentions gets a hold of one of these, either by buying it or stealing it from someone else, he could do far more damage with B. No?

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

I'm no expert so correct me if I'm wrong, but now that I look at them, the one above holds, what, 2 rounds and has to be manually re-loaded? The one below looks like it has a clip with, what, 30 rounds and you can slam a new clip in in a second?

So, if a crazy person with the worst intentions gets a hold of one of these, either by buying it or stealing it from someone else, he could do far more damage with B. No?

You fell for the argument I am trying to prove ,think about whats better 2 dead people lets say 2 of your family members or 10 people you dont know ?

See to me life is important may it be 1 person its a tragedy so I hope you get my thought on how many bullets a gun holds does not matter , If someone took my son out in a drive by or at a mall I would be crushed .

[Alohajrtennis]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

Please read up on this. The shooter went through years of trying to acquire weapons from other countries. Ironically got his ammo clips from....the US.

The target was not chosen because it was "soft". It was politically motivated. He had issue with a political party which sponsored the camp and many of that party's children were in attendance.

He was a paranoid schizophrenic. This manifested itself in hatred of a political party. He could have walked into the office building after he car bombed it and started shooting but that would have gotten himself killed, instead he headed for the summer camp, which was unprotected. While he used high capacity clips, the fact is he could have walked around reloading a six shooter revolver and do the same amount of damage, it just would have taken him longer. There was nobody there to stop him.

I am joining TCF on this one, sorry I jumped in.

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

You fell for the argument I am trying to prove ,think about whats better 2 dead people lets say 2 of your family members or 10 people you dont know ?

See to me life is important may it be 1 person its a tragedy so I hope you get my thought on how many bullets a gun holds does not matter , If someone took my son out in a drive by or at a mall I would be crushed .

I get what you're saying and agree. One death is too many, and I can't imagine if this happened to one of mine. But the problem is there in society and to begin to fix it, you have to start with the most destructive parts of it.

[TW Staff]

Turning political. Thread closed.