From This Moment On...

[jaap deboeck]

Just GOAT speculation: From this moment on who will win more majors, Roger or Tiger?

Fed is closer now to his A-game, but Tiger has a few (5?) more years. Fed has FAR less competition than Tiger. So this is a tough one. Tiger may be hungrier with the Golden Bear still ahead of him, whereas Roger has nothing left to prove. Tiger still has to prove he is the GOAT in his sport.

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by jaap deboeck

Just GOAT speculation: From this moment on who will win more majors, Roger or Tiger?

Fed is closer now to his A-game, but Tiger has a few (5?) more years. Fed has FAR less competition than Tiger. So this is a tough one. Tiger may be hungrier with the Golden Bear still ahead of him, whereas Roger has nothing left to prove. Tiger still has to prove he is the GOAT in his sport.

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What?

The PGA field currently is a JOKE. Ernie Els who hadn't won a Major since 2002, just won the British Open because the leader (Adam Scott), blew a four shot lead with four holes to go. The field in Golf is full of guys who are labeled as "can't win the big one", or guys that win one and then fade into obscurity.

Tiger in his prime has dealt with...Phil. That's it. Els and Vijay played the majority of their best golf before Tiger really hit his stride. Phil is his best competition, and he missed the cut at the British. The "young guns" really haven't done much...You'll see a guy like Bubba Watson win a major, and then do nothing for months on end. Look at Rory McIlroy - hasn't done anything since winning the 2011 US Open.

In Roger's time on tour, he's dealt with Nadal, Djokovic, Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick. That list alone trumps anything Tiger had to deal with. Hell, Nadal, Djokovic and Agassi alone are all time greats. What all time great did Tiger have to deal with? Phil? Love the guy, but he's borderline at best.

Just because there are 130+ guys in the field of golf, and 16 different guys have won the last 16 Majors doesn't make the field strong, it makes the top guys weak.

[Badger]

Originally Posted by BigServer1

Just because there are 130+ guys in the field of golf, and 16 different guys have won the last 16 Majors doesn't make the field strong, it makes the top guys weak.

That was all OP said. He didn't comment on the quality of the competition just that Fed has less. All he has is Rafa and Nole at the moment. Last 8 majors in golf have been won by 8 different people.

I think they'll win somewhere near the same from here on in. Tiger has another 10 years potentially, if his knee holds up. Both will definitely win a few more slams IMHO. Tiger is the one who seems less likely at the moment, but the way he's been playing makes me think that it's only a matter of time before he wins another major.

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by Badger

That was all OP said. He didn't comment on the quality of the competition just that Fed has less. All he has is Rafa and Nole at the moment. Last 8 majors in golf have been won by 8 different people.

I think they'll win somewhere near the same from here on in. Tiger has another 10 years potentially, if his knee holds up. Both will definitely win a few more slams IMHO. Tiger is the one who seems less likely at the moment, but the way he's been playing makes me think that it's only a matter of time before he wins another major.

But that doesn't mean the competition is better. I'd argue it's harder to go through Djokovic/Nadal at a Major than it is to go through any of the last 8 Major winners in Golf. You know that Fed/Nadal/Djoker will be there at the business end of a tennis tournament, where as most of the Major winners in golf are prone to lapses, missed cuts, terrible rounds and meltdowns.

Rafa loses R2 at Wimby? International news. Huge deal. Mickelson misses the cut at the Open Championship? Meh, not that surprising, Lefty isn't super consistent. The PGA field is a joke right now, even more so than the ATP field (at least the the ATP has a baller top 3/4).

[smoledman]

17 > 14 beyotches.

[jmverdugo]

I think Fed already reached his GS number, not to dismiss him as a potential candidate, he is definitely a thread for anyone out there, but a lot of things would have to happen for him to win a other GS. I do hope he wins another but I just think it is unlikely.

[augustobt]

Please, don't discuss Golf. Is something that I believe that almost anyone outside USA doesn't know a thing about that.

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by jmverdugo

I think Fed already reached his GS number, not to dismiss him as a potential candidate, he is definitely a thread for anyone out there, but a lot of things would have to happen for him to win a other GS. I do hope he wins another but I just think it is unlikely.

A lot of things?
USO 12
- Federer does his usual SF thingy.
- Meets Murray there; does his usual Murray Slam beatdown
- meets Djokovic after a 6h slugfest with Rafa
- converts 1 of 1000 mp

[Badger]

Originally Posted by BigServer1

But that doesn't mean the competition is better. I'd argue it's harder to go through Djokovic/Nadal at a Major than it is to go through any of the last 8 Major winners in Golf. You know that Fed/Nadal/Djoker will be there at the business end of a tennis tournament, where as most of the Major winners in golf are prone to lapses, missed cuts, terrible rounds and meltdowns.

Rafa loses R2 at Wimby? International news. Huge deal. Mickelson misses the cut at the Open Championship? Meh, not that surprising, Lefty isn't super consistent. The PGA field is a joke right now, even more so than the ATP field (at least the the ATP has a baller top 3/4).

Tiger is also prone to lapses and missed cuts, it's the nature of golf. Major winners are more dispersed and can't perform as consistently. That's why Tiger's domination at the beginning of the century was insane, and I don't think we're likely to see anything like it again. Whilst Federer's reign was also incredible, we will see major dominance in tennis, probably not quite the way Federer did it, but people will get closer to that sort of thing. All big golfers are going to miss the cut at a major at least every couple of years. I think the OP was only trying to highlight the relative frequency that the Tiger and Rog are likely to win slams. But given Tiger has more time, I think they'll end up somewhere near the same number from here on out. Unless Tiger starts dominating in some way again.

[jmverdugo]

Originally Posted by joeri888

A lot of things?
USO 12
- Federer does his usual SF thingy.
- Meets Murray there; does his usual Murray Slam beatdown
- meets Djokovic after a 6h slugfest with Rafa
- converts 1 of 1000 mp

it took him a year and a half to win another GS, if it is so simple why he did not do it before? I am not saying he will not do it, but it will get more difficult with time for sure, it is crazy to think that ol' 2006 Fed is back...

[smoledman]

Originally Posted by jmverdugo

it took him a year and a half to win another GS, if it is so simple why he did not do it before? I am not saying he will not do it, but it will get more difficult with time for sure, it is crazy to think that ol' 2006 Fed is back...

That's the funny thing about these all time greats. They can go 30 months and then *boom* then win 2 in a row.

[Russeljones]

Originally Posted by BigServer1

Hi my name is BigServer1, I don't like golf and I don't know much about it either. I enjoy holding hands and walking on the beach by moonlight.

Fixed that for ya.

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by Russeljones

Fixed that for ya.

LOL, because I don't think the field in golf is strong, it means I don't know anything about Golf?

I watch Golf, I follow the sport closely (not as closely as tennis), and I really enjoy watching. I also enjoy playing Golf.

The PGA field right now is weak. I don't really know what else to say about it...People can disagree, that's fine, but the majority of the top players and inconsistent both mentally and game wise. Rory McIlroy is a great example: Wins the 2011 US Open and hasn't finished top 20 in a Major since.

I'm also of the mindset that it's harder to win a Major in tennis, due to the physicality, the opponent, and the stamina required. Golf itself has it's own challenges (play against the course, beating 130+ players along the way), but it's just my opinion. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I lack knowledge.

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by Badger

Tiger is also prone to lapses and missed cuts, it's the nature of golf. Major winners are more dispersed and can't perform as consistently. That's why Tiger's domination at the beginning of the century was insane, and I don't think we're likely to see anything like it again. Whilst Federer's reign was also incredible, we will see major dominance in tennis, probably not quite the way Federer did it, but people will get closer to that sort of thing. All big golfers are going to miss the cut at a major at least every couple of years. I think the OP was only trying to highlight the relative frequency that the Tiger and Rog are likely to win slams. But given Tiger has more time, I think they'll end up somewhere near the same number from here on out. Unless Tiger starts dominating in some way again.

I agree with you on this, Golf is entirely different than tennis, and the Major trajectories of all time greats looks very different from tennis. It's rare to win two Majors in a year in golf, but pretty common in tennis.

My issue was with the statement of "so much more competition". The PGA field in my opinion, is weak. It's a mentally unstable bunch for the most part, and even Tiger, mentally strong as anyone ever, seems to be physically breaking down...Limping on #6 yesterday after those crazy bunker shots that led to his 7.

[Technology Ruined Tennis]

I agree that it is harder to win a major in tennis than in golf. The perfect example is the Rosol match. In tennis if a guy has the day of his life against you its over. But in golf some no-name can shoot -8 in the first round, yeah thats great but he still has three rounds to go, most don't sustain it.

On the opposite side if a great player has a terrible day in tennis, he will most likely lose. But in golf if Tiger shoots +5 one day, he still has time to recover.

To answer the question 1 more major for each.