For the dropweight, crank stringing machine

[Woolybugger]

industrial espionage,... just saying.....

[fortun8son]

An electronic machine, even at it's slowest setting, pulls way faster than one can do on a crank.
I believe that if one pulls slowly(at least 3 sec) on a crank, it will equal what the auto tensioner does.
Pulling twice on a crank will ensure a more CP tension, but is maybe not absolutely needed.
The graph shows a 1sec pull.

[Irvin]

Originally Posted by fortun8son

An electronic machine, even at it's slowest setting, pulls way faster than one can do on a crank...

Surely you do not believe that.

EDIT: There is a big difference between how fast you CAN turn the crank and how fast you SHOULD turn the crank.

[diredesire]

Originally Posted by Irvin

Surely you do not believe that.

EDIT: There is a big difference between how fast you CAN turn the crank and how fast you SHOULD turn the crank.

Definitely. I wonder how many low quality, terrible-speed electric tensioners fortun8son has used, too

[Irvin]

I don't think there are many high speed electronic machines that string this fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy8D72FqBV8

But you could argue that you could hit the button and run in the next string while the tensioner is doing its work. Then move the clamp and tension the next while you are pulling the next string. I have tried this and it does not work for me because the turntable is held in one position when strings are tensioned. It may work for some though.

EDIT: 'diredesire' I like posting right before or after you makes everyone wonder who copied who. LOL

[fortun8son]

I guess I did not express myself clearly.
What I meant was that you can hand pull very slowly and allow the string to stretch gently before the lockout engages to minimize the tension loss after lockout.
A slow electronic setting is still rather quick.
Does that make sense, or am I still delusional?

[Irvin]

I would agree that pulling slowly would minimize tension loss but how do you repeat each pull? I would rather do a normal pull and pull again after say 10 seconds that is easier to replicate.

[BigGriff]

OK, so after all of this I have come to the conclusion that cranks, CP, and drop weight machines will have deviations in tension based on the settings. I wonder if there is a formula for the various inconsistencies in string. I am sure elongation will throughout the same piece of string.

I good stringer will try his best to eliminate those factors as much as possible. As one poster said I wouldn't some of these mathematics and engineering wiz kids in here stringing my sticks.

Reducing elongation and ruining a strings playability goes hand in hand. It is a fine line between the two.

[diredesire]

Originally Posted by BigGriff

OK, so after all of this I have come to the conclusion that cranks, CP, and drop weight machines will have deviations in tension based on the settings. I wonder if there is a formula for the various inconsistencies in string. I am sure elongation will throughout the same piece of string.

I good stringer will try his best to eliminate those factors as much as possible. As one poster said I wouldn't some of these mathematics and engineering wiz kids in here stringing my sticks.

Reducing elongation and ruining a strings playability goes hand in hand. It is a fine line between the two.

Actually I don't think a "good" stringer has to account for deviations. This is probably a slightly controversial statement if taken out of context of the stringing ecosystem as a whole. What we agree on is that there are differences based on "settings" (machine, pull speed, etc). Sure, no problem. The mantra you hear experienced stringers harp on over and over is simply: consistency. If you have two stringers that do their thing consistently, one on a crank, one on a CP, you'll have some sort of "offset" in "tension" (SBS and string bed feel are separate discussions).

If you have consistency, the player can make simple adjustments to move between stringers.

The discussion here is trending to be more about best methods to match a crank vs. CP, but I don't personally give a second pull when stringing on a crank. This isn't because I'm lazy, it's because I don't intend to replicate CP. There are several players who prefer the "feel" of a lockout bed, and I don't think it's as simple as the age-old rule of thumb of 10% +/-.

However, if I were stringing on a crank, and I was trying to replicate a CP bed (on request), I'd probably spend more energy doing so (with methods mentioned above).

Originally Posted by Irvin

I don't think there are many high speed electronic machines that string this fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy8D72FqBV8

But you could argue that you could hit the button and run in the next string while the tensioner is doing its work. Then move the clamp and tension the next while you are pulling the next string. I have tried this and it does not work for me because the turntable is held in one position when strings are tensioned. It may work for some though.

EDIT: 'diredesire' I like posting right before or after you makes everyone wonder who copied who. LOL

You and me both, buddy.

I've tried cutting time by prelacing, etc as well. I actually think it reduces the consistency, at least for me, as the time I spend with the tensioner pulling varies depending on how much i'm struggling with the lacing.