Federer's indoor carpet record

ultradr · 10-17-2006, 10:20 AM

I noticed Federer's indoor carpet record last few years is pretty mediocre
for his standard.

We're talking about 'last few years'. He dominated tour like no one ever did.
Plus we all know he tries to win every thing.

For an average player, he has pretty good record. 2 finals in Swiss indoor
and 1 final at master's. But we're talking about Federer of last few years.
As far as I know, he never won a title on carpet(correct me if I'm wrong).
I understand indoor seasons became non-factor these days.

He had some foot injury in last years masters final. But in 2 finals of Swiss
indoor, I think we can safely assume he pretty much wanted to win but
failed to do so. And recently he pretty much skips indoor carpet seasons.

This makes me wonder what makes him relatively vulnerable on real fast carpet court ?
Wimbledon is fast but he didn't do well until its courts got
really slow in 2003. Is he really a slow court players in 90's standard just like
many other current top players who are dominating the tour ?

vive le beau jeu ! · 10-17-2006, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultradr

For an average player, he has pretty good record. 2 finals in Swiss indoor
and 1 final at master's. But we're talking about Federer of last few years.
As far as I know, he never won a title on carpet(correct me if I'm wrong).

he won his first title (milan 2001) on carpet...

(nb: he didn't play often on carpet during recent times)

jackson vile · 10-17-2006, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultradr

I noticed Federer's indoor carpet record last few years is pretty mediocre
for his standard.

We're talking about 'last few years'. He dominated tour like no one ever did.
Plus we all know he tries to win every thing.

For an average player, he has pretty good record. 2 finals in Swiss indoor
and 1 final at master's. But we're talking about Federer of last few years.
As far as I know, he never won a title on carpet(correct me if I'm wrong).
I understand indoor seasons became non-factor these days.

He had some foot injury in last years masters final. But in 2 finals of Swiss
indoor, I think we can safely assume he pretty much wanted to win but
failed to do so. And recently he pretty much skips indoor carpet seasons.

This makes me wonder what makes him relatively vulnerable on real fast carpet court ?
Wimbledon is fast but he didn't do well until its courts got
really slow in 2003. Is he really a slow court players in 90's standard just like
many other current top players who are dominating the tour ?

I agree, fast flat shots give him big trouble, as well as everyone else LOL

IMO the grass needs to be fresher, slicker, and fasterLOL

anointedone · 10-17-2006, 10:36 AM

Federer has never won a Masters title indoors. I guess people just play real tennis against him, with the pressure of the slams off, rather then be awed by a player who just be a run of the mill top 20 player if he played in anything other then the worst mens field in history.

ultradr · 10-17-2006, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vive le beau jeu !

he won his first title (milan 2001) on carpet...

(nb: he didn't play often on carpet during recent times)

Yep, but his 1st break thru big title(ATP Masters) was on the slowest
clay of Hamburg...

The tennis guy · 10-17-2006, 10:41 AM

Since Federer became No. 1, he only played 4 indoor events excluding Davis Cup, Rotterdam in 04, Thailand 04, 05, and MC 05. He won Thailand twice, lost in Rotterdam to Henman, in MC to Nalbandian. It's just too small sample to draw conclusion.

Baghdatis72 · 10-17-2006, 10:43 AM

Actually Federer doesn't really like the indoor carpet surface and this can be seen by the fact that he hasn't played in indoor carpet events since 2003 where he lost all of them.

Paris TMS 03 QF, Basel 03 R16, Paris TMS 02 QF, Basel 02 SF

ultradr · 10-17-2006, 10:46 AM

Nadal also has pretty dismal records on indoor carpet (like 1st
and 2nd round losses) but he still seems to want to play on fast
courts....

The tennis guy · 10-17-2006, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anointedone

Federer has never won a Masters title indoors. I guess people just play real tennis against him, with the pressure of the slams off, rather then be awed by a player who just be a run of the mill top 20 player if he played in anything other then the worst mens field in history.

He hasn't played one single master series event indoor since he became No. 1. You can't win if you don't play.

The tennis guy · 10-17-2006, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baghdatis72

Actually Federer doesn't really like the indoor carpet surface and this can be seen by the fact that he hasn't played in indoor carpet events since 2003 where he lost all of them.

Paris TMS 03 QF, Basel 03 R16, Paris TMS 02 QF, Basel 02 SF

Because he was injured in 04 and 05.

ultradr · 10-17-2006, 10:52 AM

Since he became No 1, he switched from carpet to clay court
tournament in Swiss.

ultradr · 10-17-2006, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The tennis guy

Because he was injured in 04 and 05.

But he still won many other non-carpet titles, didn't he ?

The tennis guy · 10-17-2006, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultradr

Since he became No 1, he switched from carpet to clay court
tournament in Swiss.

??? What the hell you are talking about?

Shabazza · 10-17-2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baghdatis72

Actually Federer doesn't really like the indoor carpet surface and this can be seen by the fact that he hasn't played in indoor carpet events since 2003 where he lost all of them.

Paris TMS 03 QF, Basel 03 R16, Paris TMS 02 QF, Basel 02 SF

He had 2004 and 2005 injurys who kept him from playing the fall indoor season and MS during his most dominant years. To say he doesn't like indoor is based on nothing whatsoever. 4 events in 2 years doesn't proof anything. He skiped some indoor events after AO, because he always go deep or wins there and he tends to take some time off after Slams - playing no DC as well.

Baghdatis72 · 10-17-2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The tennis guy

Because he was injured in 04 and 05.

You mean the bruised shinbone that he had in his nightmare and the practice injury the following year?

The tennis guy · 10-17-2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultradr

But he still won many other non-carpet titles, didn't he ?

He didn't play during the fall in 04 and 05 indoor season. The point is if you don't play indoor events due to injury, you can't win titles. He won many non-carpet titles because he played them.

ultradr · 10-17-2006, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The tennis guy

??? What the hell you are talking about?

My bad. I mean he stopped playing basel on carpet but still plays
Gasstaad on clay, among the tournaments played in his home country...

The tennis guy · 10-17-2006, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultradr

My bad. I mean he stopped playing basel on carpet but still plays
Gasstaad on clay, among the tournaments played in his home country...

He played Gasstaad on clay only once since becoming No. 1. He had planned to play Basel in 04 and 05, got injured both times.

ultradr · 10-17-2006, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The tennis guy

He didn't play during the fall in 04 and 05 indoor season. The point is if you don't play indoor events due to injury, you can't win titles. He won many non-carpet titles because he played them.

Yep, my posting already said that he skips indoor tournaments recently.
For example, he chose outdoor hard court of Tokyo instead of indoor
hard/carpet of other tournaments.
Why does he avoid indoor carpet then ?
Are you concluding he can win carpet if he plays then ??

The tennis guy · 10-17-2006, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultradr

Yep, my posting already said that he skips indoor tournaments recently.
For example, he chose outdoor hard court of Tokyo instead of indoor
hard/carpet of other tournaments.
Why does he avoid indoor carpet then ?
Are you concluding he can win carpet if he plays then ??

He played in Thailand in 04 and 05 indoor events, and won both times.

You'll know the answer when he plays on carpet. Most players who can play great on grass can play great indoor.

10-17-2006, 10:20 AM	#1
ultradr Professional Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 963	Federer's indoor carpet record I noticed Federer's indoor carpet record last few years is pretty mediocre for his standard. We're talking about 'last few years'. He dominated tour like no one ever did. Plus we all know he tries to win every thing. For an average player, he has pretty good record. 2 finals in Swiss indoor and 1 final at master's. But we're talking about Federer of last few years. As far as I know, he never won a title on carpet(correct me if I'm wrong). I understand indoor seasons became non-factor these days. He had some foot injury in last years masters final. But in 2 finals of Swiss indoor, I think we can safely assume he pretty much wanted to win but failed to do so. And recently he pretty much skips indoor carpet seasons. This makes me wonder what makes him relatively vulnerable on real fast carpet court ? Wimbledon is fast but he didn't do well until its courts got really slow in 2003. Is he really a slow court players in 90's standard just like many other current top players who are dominating the tour ?

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