Tennis Warehouse-Mid Atlantic Chapter - Page 331

Sup2Dresq · 05-15-2008, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tfm1973

sup -- teach me how to return a twist serve. please. i'll bake you 100 cookies for you to eat.

Ha! I have to say it. "So you can dish it, but you can't take it".

My advice on returning a twist serve. First learn the basics of a service return. The first basic is recognition from the service motion or toss. If you know its going to be a twist, then react accordingly.

Second, respond from the hit. When someone hits a kick or twist, it comes off the racquet a certain way. It even sounds different.. (think shank on purpose... all side spin). When you hear that shot react accordingly.

Second, move your body into position. If you hear or suspect a twist coming, mover your racquet ready position up. Most rec players will always leave their racquets down on a return ready position. Expecting the flat but not adjusting for a second kicker.

All of the above are early reaction stages. You may ask why. Cause the secret to returning a kick or twist is primarily getting to the ball early before it CAN twist or kick. Watch the pros, they step in on the second expecting it. No need to try to whack it, its a defensive return you are looking for.

Sidenote: Even if you get to the serve, it will twist a bit before you can get on top of the tennis ball. So the secret to blocking or returning continues. If he/she is a lefty (like MrHan) exaggerate your aim more left. Thats a huge tip, as it enables you to get it back and with more control. For instance if MrHan is serving at me on the duece side (I'm a right hander)... If I want to hit it crosscourt on my return, I'm literally aiming for the doubles alley or half way to the fence depending on how severe my return angle should be. Just reverse it for a right.

P.S. Last tip. Good kicks and Twist tempt people to muscle the return back. You must resist this notion. The best thing is to block or guide the ball. The serve is tricky enough to try to whack it and you have to pick your times and get used to the method of kick/twist you are getting.

Alrighty. TFM, we will practice it if we go out for a hit. I usually stand at the service line with a bucket of balls and hit twist,kicks, flats.. all types of serves at you.

sapient007 · 05-15-2008, 04:59 AM

weather doesn't look too good this wkd.

hollywood9826 · 05-15-2008, 05:00 AM

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hollywood -- 5pm at cabin john. it might rain. let's make a decision at 4pm before we make the trek out there.

Its showing 30% chnace on wether.com which probably means 95% chance.

Totally agree with the pre decision decision, but as i will rpobably leave at 330 lets try to make it then.

Do I got your #? I can call you on my way if it starts to downpour.

hollywood9826 · 05-15-2008, 05:02 AM

what is the difference between a kick serve and a twist serve? Apparently what i thought was a twist is not.

I'm not sure what kinda serve i hit, all I know is i try to put mad spin on it. when i hit em good they jump pretty high. is that good?

tfm1973 · 05-15-2008, 05:11 AM

hollywood -- you got mail.

the semantics of the term twist serve and kick serve is sorta convoluted. a twist serve is also a kick serve but a kick serve is not always a twist serve.

a twist serve is the tennis equivalent of a screwball. for a righty the serve is hit with both topspin and sidespin so that the ball will bounce and kick to the opposite side it normally would go. for a righty server it will jump to his right side.

a kick serve often refers to a twist serve as well but mostly it refers to a serve that is hit with topspin so that it will bounce and kick forward.

sapient007 · 05-15-2008, 05:24 AM

tfm, is this sum yong gai place BYOB?

tfm1973 · 05-15-2008, 05:26 AM

lol. Sum Ting Wong's doesn't let you bring your own beer or bong or beyotch for that matter.

look up some reviews for woomi garden. it's pretty good korean food. just not as good as annandale.

hollywood9826 · 05-15-2008, 05:26 AM

^^^^

Oh so i probably mainly hit twists then i guess, but sometimes they dont get the bounce back becasue i dont get the toss far enough behind me and i hit it anyway

if you sent mail to me through forums i cant check the hotmail from work. I got your phone number diggin through old emails you had sent me

sapient007 · 05-15-2008, 05:37 AM

i got this a while back. hope it helps

Topaz · 05-15-2008, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tfm1973

topaz -- bake me cookies. please. i'll serve 100 twist serves for you to practice returning.
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Hmmm, I have an idea...someone could bake *me* cookies!!!

If I didn't already have a billion matches this weekend, I would take you up on your offer...maybe later next week or next weekend?

Sup2Dresq · 05-15-2008, 06:34 AM

See you at lunch TFM/Sap/Hollywood! @ noon

ShcMad · 05-15-2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tfm1973

morning TW MAC.

PP / Schmad -- i will be around this weekend if you guys wanna get together and hit.
sup / sap -- lunch at noon. call if you need directions or can't find the place.

hollywood -- 5pm at cabin john. it might rain. let's make a decision at 4pm before we make the trek out there.

topaz -- bake me cookies. please. i'll serve 100 twist serves for you to practice returning.

sup -- teach me how to return a twist serve. please. i'll bake you 100 cookies for you to eat.

We would love to have a hit with you, tfm. However, weather doesn't look too promising for the weekend. Let's hope the meteorologists are wrong.

hollywood9826 · 05-15-2008, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sup2Dresq

See you at lunch TFM/Sap/Hollywood! @ noon

sadly enough i will not be able to make it to lunch this time.

Sometime in the near future i will take another 2 hour lunch break and join you guys once again

JRstriker12 · 05-15-2008, 06:50 AM

McLovin - Early hit next week? Maybe Monday or Tuesday? Say from 6am to 7am or 5:30 am to 7am?

PP:

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Originally Posted by PurePrestige

...also, does anyone know how the generally available tennis balls at sports authority go in terms of characteristics??? I guess the main brans are Penn, Wilson, and Dunlop at Sports Authority...just things like...
Lightest to Heaviest
Most Durable
Best Playing
etc.

IMHO:
Lightest to Heaviest: Dunlop, Penn, Wilson (US Open)

Most Durable: Meh- they are all about the same - I think Wilson US Open last a little longer.

Best Playing: I like the Penn and Penn ATP's - but they all bounce. Not a fan of Dunlops, as they seem to light or super-ball like - IMHO

FWIW - I can check, but Costco had a case of 15 cans of Penn for about $30.

NiteFly · 05-15-2008, 06:55 AM

I played my first USTA match yesterday. I have played the Pusher style before, but this was a doubles match were one guy was pretty good. He had consistent ground strokes and a very consistent serve. The other guy lobbed every single ball hit to him where he wasn't at the net. I hadn't come across that before. It was nice to have so many overhead opportunities, but not so nice to miss so many! Double faults were my teams downfall though.

Is this lob style of play common in 3.0 doubles? This was my first real doubles match (beside the TWMAC ones of course).

Looks like I'll be focusing on second serves and overheads in the coming weeks.

ShcMad · 05-15-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NiteFly

I played my first USTA match yesterday. I have played the Pusher style before, but this was a doubles match were one guy was pretty good. He had consistent ground strokes and a very consistent serve. The other guy lobbed every single ball hit to him where he wasn't at the net. I hadn't come across that before. It was nice to have so many overhead opportunities, but not so nice to miss so many! Double faults were my teams downfall though.

Is this lob style of play common in 3.0 doubles? This was my first real doubles match (beside the TWMAC ones of course).

Looks like I'll be focusing on second serves and overheads in the coming weeks.

Hey NiteFly, I apologize for pulling out of the match. I was experiencing chest pain towards the middle of last week, so I couldn't really go out and practice for a couple days. I felt that I wouldn't contribute much to the team if I was feeling rusty, so I decided to pull out of the match and let somebody better take my place. I'm feeling a lot better this week, so I've been going out and practicing. I hope you guys did well last night and hope that we do well this season.

tfm1973 · 05-15-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NiteFly

Is this lob style of play common in 3.0 doubles? This was my first real doubles match (beside the TWMAC ones of course).

Thankfully once you get to the 3.5 men's level you don't see that as often because guys overheads get a lot better. Practically non-existent at the 4.0 level unless they really enjoy eating fuzz.

Now at the women's level I've seen it and effective all the way up to 3.5 and I still see it at the 4.0 level.

And the answer to why do they do that -- cuz it works. If it doesn't work - most sane people stop.

Topaz · 05-15-2008, 07:09 AM

Shcmad...are you okay? *concerned*

TFM...maybe I should work on my overheads with you as well?

Never underestimate the power of a well timed and placed lob. If anyone wants to teach me how to hit one of those, please, feel free!

sapient007 · 05-15-2008, 07:12 AM

you are offering 100 cookies at the market value of 50cents a cookie for 100 serves.. i think you are getting ripped off.

ShcMad · 05-15-2008, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Topaz

Shcmad...are you okay? *concerned*

TFM...maybe I should work on my overheads with you as well?

Never underestimate the power of a well timed and placed lob. If anyone wants to teach me how to hit one of those, please, feel free!

I'm feeling a lot better. Thanks for the concern!

05-15-2008, 05:02 AM	#6604
hollywood9826 Semi-Pro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Havre de Grace, MD Posts: 492	what is the difference between a kick serve and a twist serve? Apparently what i thought was a twist is not. I'm not sure what kinda serve i hit, all I know is i try to put mad spin on it. when i hit em good they jump pretty high. is that good? __________________ Touched by his Noodly Appendage

05-15-2008, 05:26 AM	#6608
hollywood9826 Semi-Pro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Havre de Grace, MD Posts: 492	^^^^ Oh so i probably mainly hit twists then i guess, but sometimes they dont get the bounce back becasue i dont get the toss far enough behind me and i hit it anyway if you sent mail to me through forums i cant check the hotmail from work. I got your phone number diggin through old emails you had sent me __________________ Touched by his Noodly Appendage

05-15-2008, 06:34 AM	#6611
Sup2Dresq Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,938	See you at lunch TFM/Sap/Hollywood! @ noon __________________ "[Luke:] I can't believe it. [Yoda:] That is why you fail."

05-15-2008, 07:09 AM	#6618
Topaz Legend Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,648	Shcmad...are you okay? concerned TFM...maybe I should work on my overheads with you as well? Never underestimate the power of a well timed and placed lob. If anyone wants to teach me how to hit one of those, please, feel free! __________________ What would you do if you knew you could not fail?

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