Who was better in their prime, Steffi Graf or Martina Hingis? - Page 2

caulcano · 05-01-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by federerfanatic

Graf by far. Graf is not the GOAT by any stretch of the imagination, but to say Hingis in her prime is better would be absurd.

Graf is considered by some as GOAT. You would not say the same as Hingis because people would just laugh at you.

wyutani · 05-01-2007, 02:03 AM

the poll should have a seles in it.

35ft6 · 05-01-2007, 03:51 AM

Voted for Graf, and Hingis is probably my favorite female player almost of all time. She's about the most clever girl to ever play.

Except on grass, their matches were very competitive.

baseliner · 05-01-2007, 04:18 AM

Fraulein Forehand (citing Bud Collins I think) by a wide margin. Length of time on top, number of grand slams... by every objective standard imaginable. Now if the question were Martina Navratilova, Chris Evert, Margaret Court or Steffi Graf, well then...

Warriorroger · 05-01-2007, 05:40 AM

Stupid thread. Even when injured and aged, Hingis couldn't beat Graf. Graf is an old school champion: they win regardless the opponent or surface.

Why do you have to deliberately write her name wrong? Is it just to disrepect a great player?

rommil · 05-01-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 35ft6

Voted for Graf, and Hingis is probably my favorite female player almost of all time. She's about the most clever girl to ever play.

Except on grass, their matches were very competitive.

Well said man. The beauty about watching Hingis at her prime was how she saw the point of the match 3 points ahead of anybody. She compensated her lack of size with her anticipation and how her ability to difuse a power game into a thinking game. Graf was better in her prime but I think Hingis had a more rounded game and was more fearless, even having a much better net game than Graf despite her size.

Condoleezza · 05-01-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rommil

Well said man. The beauty about watching Hingis at her prime was how she saw the point of the match 3 points ahead of anybody. She compensated her lack of size with her anticipation and how her ability to difuse a power game into a thinking game. Graf was better in her prime but I think Hingis had a more rounded game and was more fearless, even having a much better net game than Graf despite her size.

Hingis more *fearless* than Graf?

Yes, Martina was known for her "fearlessness" on the big stage, in slam finals. We all remember FO 99 and AO 02 fondly ....

Condi

rommil · 05-01-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Condoleezza

Hingis more *fearless* than Graf?

Yes, Martina was known for her "fearlessness" on the big stage, in slam finals. We all remember FO 99 and AO 02 fondly ....

Condi

Condi if you just try to watch the world with both eyes open, you might see much better(of course it probably would help if you had the right size brain to process what you see). Hingis was fearless in the sense that she wasn't afraid to attack the net at the right time. So are you going to make a ******** statement that Graf had a better net game than Hingis?

Condoleezza · 05-01-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rommil

Condi if you just try to watch the world with both eyes open, you might see much better(of course it probably would help if you had the right size brain to process what you see). Hingis was fearless in the sense that she wasn't afraid to attack the net at the right time. So are you going to make a ******** statement that Graf had a better net game than Hingis?

What has attacking the net at the right time to do with "fearlessness"?
IMO, it is at least as fearless to battle it out from the baseline. Players attacking the net are shi.tting their pants that they might lose a battle of the nerves each baseline rally is.

Sorry, to read the words "Hingis" and "fearless" in the same sentence simply made me chuckle .... This whiner who always broke down when the going got tough!

Condi

rommil · 05-01-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Condoleezza

What has attacking the net at the right time to do with "fearlessness"?
IMO, it is at least as fearless to battle it out from the baseline. Players attacking the net are shi.tting their pants that they might lose a battle of the nerves each baseline rally is.

Sorry, to read the words "Hingis" and "fearless" in the same sentence simply made me chuckle .... This whiner who always broke down when the going got tough!

Condi

It is making you chuckle because it is a compliment to Hingis, not to Graf.She might have broken down at that match but I tell you what Condi, Hingis has court maturity in her matches you will never achieve in your lifetime.How old was Hingis at that match again? Care to supply the number? Now, what has fearlessness has anything to do with going to the net? This is a typical statement of somebody that knows nothing about the game. Ok let me present a simple case scenario that hopefully your pea sized brain can handle. You hit an approach shot and think about rushing the net and you did. What are the shots that you as a player can be vulnerable to when you are doing that? What? You don't know? Thought so.

stormholloway · 05-01-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by federerfanatic

Graf by far. Graf is not the GOAT by any stretch of the imagination, but to say Hingis in her prime is better would be absurd.

Graf isn't the best by any stretch of the imagination? How so? That implies one wouldn't even consider here the best.

Who's the best then?

Condoleezza · 05-01-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stormholloway

Graf isn't the best by any stretch of the imagination? How so? That implies one wouldn't even consider here the best.

Who's the best then?

Some US chick of course ....

Condi

Andres · 05-01-2007, 12:14 PM

I would rank Navratilova over Graf as the best female player of all time.
Indeed, they have had different achievements, but I can't rank Seles over Graf, and I can't rank Graf over Navratilova

lenbo01 · 05-01-2007, 12:15 PM

is this thread a joke?

Condoleezza · 05-01-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

I would rank Navratilova over Graf as the best female player of all time. ....

Still mad because Graf wiped the floor with Sabatini all the time in the biggies?

Condi

Andres · 05-01-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Condoleezza

Still mad because Graf wiped the floor with Sabatini all the time in the biggies?

Condi

Why would I? I'm a Graf fan, not a Gaby fan.
In fact, I wouldn't even rank Gaby in the top15 of women of all time.

Is that your argument? Are we only fans of our countrymen? (countrywomen, in this case

)

Condoleezza · 05-01-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

Why would I? I'm a Graf fan, not a Gaby fan.
In fact, I wouldn't even rank Gaby in the top15 of women of all time.

Is that your argument? Are we only fans of our countrymen? (countrywomen, in this case

)

I'm not German, I only live and work here.

Condi

Andres · 05-01-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Condoleezza

I'm not German, I only live and work here.

Condi

As the lawyer you are, trying to deviate the attention of the point.

I ranked Martina over Graf.

You said: "oh, you're still mad Steffi beat Sabatini on the big ones"? (which already makes no sense, specially has nothing to do with the point)

I said: No, I'm a Graf fan. Graf was head and shoulders above Gaby, and I wouldn't rank her even in the Top15. Is it all about countrywomen?

You said:No, I'm not German.

What's your point in the first place? How was Sabatini involved in the discussion in the first place?

Condoleezza · 05-01-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres Guazzelli

As the lawyer you are, trying to deviate the attention of the point.

I ranked Martina over Graf.

You said: "oh, you're still mad Steffi beat Sabatini on the big ones"? (which already makes no sense, specially has nothing to do with the point)

I said: No, I'm a Graf fan. Graf was head and shoulders above Gaby, and I wouldn't rank her even in the Top15. Is it all about countrywomen?

You said:No, I'm not German.

What's your point in the first place? How was Sabatini involved in the discussion in the first place?

Well, I thought you were still mad that Sabatini lost so often against Graf. Obviously I was wrong as you are a Graf fan. A luke-warm one, though (calling Navi GOAT!!!).

Condi

Andres · 05-01-2007, 12:46 PM

Not a good example, IMO. I'm a Bracciali fan, for example, but that doesn't forbid me to think Sampras is the GOAT.

You see? I can be a player's fan, but believe other player is better. I'm actually a fan of quite a few lower ranked players, like Bracciali, Guccione, or Karlovic.

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05-01-2007, 02:03 AM	#22
wyutani Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hong kong Posts: 4,746	the poll should have a seles in it. __________________ Western Grip, Counter-puncher Lefty... Dunlop Maxply Mcenroe (Serve), Dunlop Aerogel 4D 300 Tour (Return)...

05-01-2007, 05:40 AM	#25
Warriorroger Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,596	Stupid thread. Even when injured and aged, Hingis couldn't beat Graf. Graf is an old school champion: they win regardless the opponent or surface. Why do you have to deliberately write her name wrong? Is it just to disrepect a great player? __________________ One thing they ([B]Roger Federer & Steffi Graf[/B]) have in common: they scare(d) the crap out of their opponents when at the top. that's the kind of weapon you can't teach at the local club. and they use(d) it to perfection.

05-01-2007, 12:14 PM	#33
Andres G.O.A.T. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina Posts: 12,192	I would rank Navratilova over Graf as the best female player of all time. Indeed, they have had different achievements, but I can't rank Seles over Graf, and I can't rank Graf over Navratilova __________________ http://www.facebook.com/AndresGuazzelli

05-01-2007, 12:46 PM	#40
Andres G.O.A.T. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina Posts: 12,192	Not a good example, IMO. I'm a Bracciali fan, for example, but that doesn't forbid me to think Sampras is the GOAT. You see? I can be a player's fan, but believe other player is better. I'm actually a fan of quite a few lower ranked players, like Bracciali, Guccione, or Karlovic. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/AndresGuazzelli