J011yroger Stroke Inventory.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

^^^ Oh yea, and spare me the 3.5 comments

J

Don't worry, I'll rate you a 4.0/ Kidding aside, nice strokes.

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

My follow through is fine.

Agassi, Roddick, Nadal, finish like me.

Baghdatis, Hewitt, finish like you describe.

Safin, kind of in between.

It is more of a style thing, as long as you are decelerating safely either way is fine.

Why from a technical application aspect would you think I needed to change my followthrough? What would you like to change about the stroke?

What in game consequenses do you see my longer followthrough having that would be solved by your method?

Or what ball striking advantages would be gained?

J

It's to exaggerated imo. The extra time your arm is going around your neck you could be getting into postion. Do you hit a good two hander on the run and recover well after you hit ? These balls are comming right at you and your technique is breaking down without running, almost doing a 360...
I think it would be easy for you to learn but you would need to change. The potential is there, looks like some bad habits have formed though. Are you self taught?

[Moses Man]

Originally Posted by Ultra2HolyGrail

The potential is there, looks like some bad habits have formed though. Are you self taught?

Wow. Not even gonna touch that one.

J011yroger--for what it's worth, nice video! Hope your wrist heals quickly...

[Spindarella]

Originally Posted by Ultra2HolyGrail

Are you self taught?

what you were saying had merit until you asked that question.

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by Ultra2HolyGrail

It's to exaggerated imo. The extra time your arm is going around your neck you could be getting into postion. Do you hit a good two hander on the run and recover well after you hit ? These balls are comming right at you and your technique is breaking down without running, almost doing a 360...
I think it would be easy for you to learn but you would need to change. The potential is there, looks like some bad habits have formed though. Are you self taught?

Yea, I hit it very well on the run. And your almost 360 is barely past 90. It should be obvious that when I am comming off the ground and my back foot is comming around that it isn't your generic crosscourt rally backhand.

Getting in position to do what? My recovery point for the crosscourt shots I was hitting was 2-3 steps away.

All the followthrough is is a natural deceleration, If we could do a frame by frame, I would wager that it takes the same amount of time to complete either followthrough, or that mine actually took less time.

It is in the same vein as finishing a forehand over your shoulder, or across your body. You don't finish forehands with your hitting face towards the fence do you?

J

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Originally Posted by Spindarella

what you were saying had merit until you asked that question.

It's a legit question, and too many people dont realise it's very hard to have really good tecnique and learning all on your own with your own ball machine. Not saying thats the case.
A good pro corrects the "little" things that can hold you back for years. So common especially on the serve at 4.0 level.

Jolly, actually on my forheand the face does face the fence after follow through, it comes over my neck evenly, not at a high angle, same with the backhand. Heck nadals forehand swing over his head on the follow through, so it's possible to be unique. Every player has unique strokes, you gotta do what looks natural to you. The main thing really is your comming around with your left foot to much, imho.

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by Ultra2HolyGrail

Jolly, actually on my forheand the face does face the fence after follow through, it comes over my neck evenly, not at a high angle, same with the backhand. Heck nadals forehand swing over his head on the follow through, so it's possible to be unique. Every player has unique strokes, you gotta do what looks natural to you. The main thing really is your comming around with your left foot to much, imho.

I haven't seen you play, but I think that you must use push type strokes, FH and BH, whereas I use pull type strokes FH and BH. No right or wrong, just different ways.

Throw up some vids on youtube if you are brave and we will compare, but I am fairly confidant that you play a flatter push type stroke as compared to my more spin/pace pull stroke.

And if you thought my backhand was too exaggerated, wait till I put up the forehand

J

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

I haven't seen you play, but I think that you must use push type strokes, FH and BH, whereas I use pull type strokes FH and BH. No right or wrong, just different ways.

Good point, but still watch your video closely, the technique breaks down at the last few shots, and the left foot and your body whips around. A few little changes could improve your game big time.

Yes bring the forehand on

Someday, cant right now old camcorder, ill post video, i can hear it now

[NLBwell]

J011yroger, very high level strokes. The nitpicking (and I will do it too) about your left foot coming through and the followthrough are symptoms, not the problem. You tend to move your head and right shoulder through the stroke and upwards little quickly (a bit of a bail-out) when the ball is close to you, or high (mostly at the start of the video). This pulls your racket through around your head and brings your left foot through. When you had to reach for the ball a bit (out or down), your head stayed still longer. I would expect you to hit well on the run because of this. Just keep your head and shoulder into the shot a split second longer. Again, very good strokes, just nitpicking.

[Duzza]

Good stuff J011yroger, although I'm with the others when your follow through looks a bit weird, but who cares if the end result is good right!

[lawrence]

haha quick question, are you living well off?
that looks like a personal court and it looks very nice too haha

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Originally Posted by NLBwell

J011yroger, very high level strokes. The nitpicking (and I will do it too) about your left foot coming through and the followthrough are symptoms, not the problem. You tend to move your head and right shoulder through the stroke and upwards little quickly (a bit of a bail-out) when the ball is close to you, or high (mostly at the start of the video). This pulls your racket through around your head and brings your left foot through. When you had to reach for the ball a bit (out or down), your head stayed still longer. I would expect you to hit well on the run because of this. Just keep your head and shoulder into the shot a split second longer. Again, very good strokes, just nitpicking.

Awesome post about moving the head, i think he needs to keep it down and steady through the shot.

[zapvor]

man i wanna see some fh.

[VaBeachTennis]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

I am going to start a video stroke inventory. In this thread I will post videos of my strokes, hitting sessions and match play.

I intend to continue to update this as I go on, and continue adding different videos.

Have not played in two weeks, due to my sprained wrist, and decided to fool around with my ball machine, and video camera.

All I could do was hit backhands, so here they are. My first entry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3n1X6oKH_s

Backhands 6/23/2007

J

Nice Strokes Jo11. What courts are those? Are they in Nassau County? I am from Suffolk county (Port Jeff/ Stony Brook) originally and they don't look too familiar to me, unless they are the courts in Massapequa ,Farmingdale, or I think suffolk community college. Good luck with your game and wrist.

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by NLBwell

J011yroger, very high level strokes. The nitpicking (and I will do it too) about your left foot coming through and the followthrough are symptoms, not the problem. You tend to move your head and right shoulder through the stroke and upwards little quickly (a bit of a bail-out) when the ball is close to you, or high (mostly at the start of the video). This pulls your racket through around your head and brings your left foot through. When you had to reach for the ball a bit (out or down), your head stayed still longer. I would expect you to hit well on the run because of this. Just keep your head and shoulder into the shot a split second longer. Again, very good strokes, just nitpicking.

Yup, actually that is more predominant on my FH side, and I have been working to keep my head still more. I'll bail a bit on a shot when it is too close to me, and I still want to hit a forcing shot off of it, the two notable examples are when I get jammed on a body serve, or if my opponent hits a backhand slice that is breaking hard into my body and I want to really get around on it and pull it hard crosscourt, as opposed to fighting it off and hitting it to his forehand.

Definately agreed though, when I lose focus I don't stay on the ball long enough, obviously the beginning and end of the video. I took a bunch of video of backhands yesterday, but this was the only one short enough for youtube. Havin a bit of trouble with Windows movie maker trimming them down to size, will install the camcorder software and use that.

J

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by lawrence

haha quick question, are you living well off?
that looks like a personal court and it looks very nice too haha

Nah, its my high school, (My old high school! Go class of 2000!), the court I was hitting on was pretty beat up, but they have 4 brand new perfect gritty hard courts behind those four. I just use the beat up ones because they are right next to the parking lot, so it is a shorter hike with my stuff.

J

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by VaBeachTennis

Nice Strokes Jo11. What courts are those? Are they in Nassau County? I am from Suffolk county (Port Jeff/ Stony Brook) originally and they don't look too familiar to me, unless they are the courts in Massapequa ,Farmingdale, or I think suffolk community college. Good luck with your game and wrist.

What level player are you? Lets get together and hit I am in western suffolk.

J

[dr_punk]

i wish i had a ball machine

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by dr_punk

i wish i had a ball machine

Lol, they are not as good for your game as you would think. I really only use mine when I can't find a real person, or when I want to work on something or try something new out.

J

[103xStateChamp]

how old are u?